07-15-2010, 12:25 PM
Location: NW Montana
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Some discussion previous but here it is for someone interested in the Helena School District.
Bill O'Reilly: The O'Reilly Factor Flash - Wednesday, July 14, 2010
culture warriors segment.
Helena Schools page, info about the teaching is there, right at the start.
Helena School District Home Page
I made a few comments in the previous page, again not here to start a big fight but this is important info for parents.
07-15-2010, 06:27 PM
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I must say the sex education being proposed is beyond ridiculous.
07-15-2010, 07:25 PM
Location: Brendansport, Sagitta IV
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In 1968-69, when I was in the 9th grade over at East Jr. High School in Great Falls and the sex-education class was a brand new thing, there was a simple solution to parents' concerns: each student was given a release form which their parents had to sign before that student could take the sex-ed class. (Which was basically biology plus disease info.) As I recall, only ONE student's parents refused to sign the release.
07-15-2010, 07:28 PM
Location: NW Montana
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I also fail to see the importance of starting at such an early age.
07-16-2010, 06:22 AM
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I think we all had sex ed as children. Just not that young and definitely not showing 'little johnny' having two mommies or two daddies.
07-16-2010, 08:10 AM
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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It has created quite a storm here.
The school board seems to be pushing a political agenda instead of worrying about actually educating kids about sex.
It seems they cannot seperate teaching basic biology from indoctrinating kids into accepting a political agenda over what they may hear from their parents.
I read in the local rag that the rest of the document is a generic long term goals plan for education, except they slipped this little gem into it, and one school trustee is quoted as saying that they may implement the rest of the plan and rethink the indoctrination part. Fine by me.
The taxes we pay in this county for the school districts are stupidly high, and of course it is a black hole that sucks in every dime they can extort from the residents, but it is never enough. If they push this through against the wishes of the parents and the taxpayers at large, they may just find they are sucking wind at the next levy.
Even the teachers are talking to lawyers asking if they can opt out of teaching this garbage.
All we need to teach is basic biology for these classes, starting around 7th grade. I for one don't want to pay through the nose to fund a politically motivated agenda to indoctrinate kids into thinking the way the masters in the school board want the kids to think. Kindergarden and first grade kids aren't worried about these things, let them be kids, there is plenty of time for them to learn what used to be called Hygene.
When the district dosen't care about education or the wishes of the people in the district, they are setting themselves up for a lot of trouble. I don't think this will be forgotten at the next school election. I know I won't forget.
07-16-2010, 08:42 AM
Location: Spots Wyoming
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Where I'm at (Wyoming), school board meetings are open to the public. Is it that way in Montana? If so, attend the meetings, even if you don't have kids in school. Hell, most of the school board doesn't have kids in school.
07-16-2010, 09:00 AM
Location: LEAVING CD
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My big issue with this is after going through many years of dealing with the school system in MT I have
no faith that they can teach this without injecting their bias and opinion as I've seen done many times in different classrooms.
What shocks me is the age to begin this that they just seemingly pulled from the air ( or did they?
). What needs to be investigated is the agenda
BEHIND this sudden shift. This isn't someone's "sudden" idea that it'd be a good thing to teach, this is a thought out campaign that I'm guessing they hoped would fly under the radar. The $100 question is why???
Is it being pushed as a way to shove MT toward being "progressive"? Is it a gay rights agenda? Is it a slap at conservatives? Is it a transplant on the board from the so called "all knowing" left coast trying to inject "this is how we did it back home" thing?
Inquiring minds want to know...
07-16-2010, 09:01 AM
Location: LEAVING CD
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElkHunter
Where I'm at (Wyoming), school board meetings are open to the public. Is it that way in Montana? If so, attend the meetings, even if you don't have kids in school. Hell, most of the school board doesn't have kids in school. It takes a village to raise a child. Let the school board and the legislatures know that we're not going to put up with this crap.
And it looks like they got the village idiots!
07-16-2010, 10:23 AM
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElkHunter
Where I'm at (Wyoming), school board meetings are open to the public. Is it that way in Montana? If so, attend the meetings, even if you don't have kids in school. Hell, most of the school board doesn't have kids in school.
It is that way in Montana also. There was a board meeting earlier this week and about 300 were allowed in the meeting room due to size restraints, but according to a guy I talked to today who attended, there were about 500 in the overflow outside the building.
The vast majority of locals I have spoken to want nothing to do with this and from what I have heard from people who were there, out of the estimated 700-800 people at the meeting, less than 150 were supporting this.
Another gentleman I spoke to said this was an end run around the legislature as a bill promoting basically this same agenda was killed in the last session.
This is a political effort by a minority of people to implement the same agenda that was defeated in the legislature.
They forget we have a couple of outstanding Christian/and Catholic private schools in town. If parents pull their kids out of public school and put them into the private ones, the public district looses a lot of money from the feds and state as they have to have bodies in seats to estimate funding. Even a relativly small number of students leaving would have a large financial impact, so they better tread lightly.
Politics as usual in the capitol city.
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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). What needs to be investigated is the agenda BEHIND this sudden shift. This isn't someone's "sudden" idea that it'd be a good thing to teach, this is a thought out campaign that I'm guessing they hoped would fly under the radar. The $100 question is why???
