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Old 01-13-2017, 01:35 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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No, one of the characters did things that were actually done by Jack Crenshaw.
And where is your evidence on this. Because even your link showed the women in the movie doing they were depicted as doing, even isntge timeline differed or there were small liberties taken with some details.
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Old 01-13-2017, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Hidden Figures would make a great companion piece with The Right Stuff. That is assuming you can watch that movie full of composite characters and timeliness compressed for dramatic purposes
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Old 01-13-2017, 08:47 PM
 
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Hidden Figures would make a great companion piece with The Right Stuff. That is assuming you can watch that movie full of composite characters and timeliness compressed for dramatic purposes
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Old 01-13-2017, 08:55 PM
 
Location: West Los Angeles
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And where is your evidence on this. Because even your link showed the women in the movie doing they were depicted as doing, even isntge timeline differed or there were small liberties taken with some details.
My evidence is in the historical record. Dr. Jack Crenshaw did the work that one of the women in the movie is credited with.
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Old 01-13-2017, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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My evidence is in the historical record. Dr. Jack Crenshaw did the work that one of the women in the movie is credited with.
Where is this historical record? Which work? So far I see no basis for your statement.
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Old 01-13-2017, 11:27 PM
 
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My evidence is in the historical record. Dr. Jack Crenshaw did the work that one of the women in the movie is credited with.
All the work? Are you saying that one of the women actually did nothing she's credited with?

I suppose you're drawing your info from this website.

Unfortunately, that website doesn't say what the author thinks he says. You might also check this website specifically about Jack Crenshaw that was posted a year ago...and therefore the author didn't feel a sick need to denigrate this movie or these women. Or, heck, maybe you want to look at Jack Crenshaw's own website...where he says nothing about the Mercury program, or the Gemini program--only the Apollo program.

In both websites, it's clear that Jack Crenshaw never worked on the Mercury program or had anything to do with the near-earth calculations that were being done at Langley.

In fact, Crenshaw wasn't even at Langley. From 1959 through his entire employment with NASA he worked exclusively on earth-to-moon calculations for the Apollo moon flights.

The "free return" moon trajectory he developed found its movie debut in "Apollo 13"--that was the emergency flight those astronauts used to return to earth. I guess the real question is why Ron Howard didn't give Jack Crenshaw any credit, inasmuch as they actually mentioned his calculation.

He was working in an entirely different area doing an entirely different project and entirely different calculations. By the time his calculations were actually put into practice, they'd been long hashed out by computers thousands of times.

And just in case you don't realize it--near-earth and earth-to-moon calculations for completely different spacecraft don't have anything to do with one another--except for the fact that they both used Newtonian physics.

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Old 01-14-2017, 07:15 PM
 
Location: West Los Angeles
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Where is this historical record? Which work? So far I see no basis for your statement.
Well I see no basis for what was stated in the film, and doesn't the burden of proof lay with the affirmative?
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Old 01-14-2017, 07:22 PM
 
Location: West Los Angeles
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All the work? Are you saying that one of the women actually did nothing she's credited with?

I suppose you're drawing your info from this website.

Unfortunately, that website doesn't say what the author thinks he says. You might also check this website specifically about Jack Crenshaw that was posted a year ago...and therefore the author didn't feel a sick need to denigrate this movie or these women. Or, heck, maybe you want to look at Jack Crenshaw's own website...where he says nothing about the Mercury program, or the Gemini program--only the Apollo program.

In both websites, it's clear that Jack Crenshaw never worked on the Mercury program or had anything to do with the near-earth calculations that were being done at Langley.

In fact, Crenshaw wasn't even at Langley. From 1959 through his entire employment with NASA he worked exclusively on earth-to-moon calculations for the Apollo moon flights.

The "free return" moon trajectory he developed found its movie debut in "Apollo 13"--that was the emergency flight those astronauts used to return to earth. I guess the real question is why Ron Howard didn't give Jack Crenshaw any credit, inasmuch as they actually mentioned his calculation.

He was working in an entirely different area doing an entirely different project and entirely different calculations. By the time his calculations were actually put into practice, they'd been long hashed out by computers thousands of times.

And just in case you don't realize it--near-earth and earth-to-moon calculations for completely different spacecraft don't have anything to do with one another--except for the fact that they both used Newtonian physics.
I'm drawing my info from more than one source. However, I'm going to drop the matter since this is getting far more political than I intended and Yac has expressed that this is not the appropriate forum for such matters. I simply wanted to caution people that this is a fictional film, lest somebody believe that they're seeing a film that makes a wholehearted attempt to depict what actually happened.
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Old 01-14-2017, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Old 01-15-2017, 02:50 PM
 
Location: NW Indiana
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I'm drawing my info from more than one source. However, I'm going to drop the matter since this is getting far more political than I intended and Yac has expressed that this is not the appropriate forum for such matters. I simply wanted to caution people that this is a fictional film, lest somebody believe that they're seeing a film that makes a wholehearted attempt to depict what actually happened.


Lets focus on looking at what sounds like a very interesting movie, assuming we are ready so accept some historical variance. I for one, never realized that this story existed and am looking forward to seeing it in the near future.
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