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Remember when all the critics were crawling over each other to slather praise on AMERICAN BEAUTY? And now, lots of critics rightly realize: The movie wasn't very good. In fact, parts of it are downright bad. Look up "Oscar Bait" in the Hollywood dictionary, and you'll see the AMERICAN BEAUTY movie poster.
Much the same thing happened around THE ENGLISH PATIENT.
Or how about when GLADIATOR won Best Picture? GLADIATOR?!?!?!
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Originally Posted by Brave New World
Furthermore if it was such a great film, then why weren't BAFTA raving about it, or other such international award ceremonies such as the Toronto Film Critics Association Awards in 2022, where it certainly did not sweep the boards.
Didn't BAFTA give American Beauty the award for Best Film? The English Patient and Gladiator won as well? I guess even BAFTA gets it wrong at times.
EEAOC was selected as one of the 2 runners-up for Best Picture by the Toronto Film Critics Association.
In a lot of recent years, I think that the Best Picture Oscar just goes to the most interesting movie of the year: Birdman, Parasite, The Shape or Water, Moonlight. I think this was one of those years, and we seem to be seeing a lot more choices like this. EEAAO just wasn't like anything else that came out last year. You look at the list of best pictures in recent years and the last blockbuster winner was The Lord of the Rings: Return of the King back in 2004.
Yes, only time will tell if any of these (or others like them) stand up. When there were only five best picture nominees the movies that got snubbed often turned out to be far more influential, important, and widely-seen: Psycho, 2001 A Space Odyssey, Pulp Fiction, and going all the way back to Citizen Kane and King Kong.
The Best Picture Oscar just represents a snapshot of what Hollywood thinks is best, but deciding what's really the best changes with the times.
Didn't BAFTA give American Beauty the award for Best Film? The English Patient and Gladiator won as well? I guess even BAFTA gets it wrong at times.
EEAOC was selected as one of the 2 runners-up for Best Picture by the Toronto Film Critics Association.
Sometimes there is a slight difference and some films win a couple of awards in one award ceremony compared to another however there has never been a film largely ignored by the likes of BAFTA or film festivals such as Toronto, Berlin and Sundance, that goes on to sweep the boards and win seven Oscars, including Best Picture, Best Director, Best Actress, Best Supporting Actress, Best Supporting Actor, Best Original Screenplay and Best Film Editing.
It's very rare that a film is even awarded so many Oscars, however it's unheard of, in terms of a film that's not been that highly rated by other prestigious international award ceremonies and film festivals, or by highly respected critics.
I acknowledge that you will always find people who love or hate films, and that EEAAO has polarised the international film community and critics, however there has never been as vast a difference in opinion regarding a film, and if it has just one a few Oscars I don't think anyone would be scratching their heads, however Seven Oscars has led many critics to suggest that the film is overrated on an epic scale, and that it's more to do with the Hollywood psyche and agenda rather than anything else.
As for the films you have mentioned both BAFTA and the Academy Awards rated The English Patient, as did American Beauty and the same is true of Gladiator, which also did quite well at both the BAFTA and Academy Awards.
There was a notable difference in back in 1990, in relation to Martin Scorsese's Goodfellas, which is now an iconic piece of US cinema, and which the international award ceremonies rated highly, and gave numerous awards to, and it won five BAFTA awards and did well as Toronto and other film festivals, however the Hollywood elite didn't like the film and it received only one Oscar.
Perhaps 'Goodfellas' was just too mainstream and actually entertaining for the Academy Awards, as over the decades they have often given out awards to films the general public did not find nearly as praise worthy or entertaining.
In terms of EEAAO, it may not be an interesting film, and have it's supporters, but any one can see, that it's also been extremely overrated in relation to the sheer number of awards that were bestowed upon it at the 2023 Oscars.
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Sometimes there is a slight difference and some films win a couple of awards in one award ceremony compared to another however there has never been a film largely ignored by the likes of BAFTA or film festivals such as Toronto, Berlin and Sundance, that goes on to sweep the boards and win seven Oscars, including Best Picture, Best Director, Best Actress, Best Supporting Actress, Best Supporting Actor, Best Original Screenplay and Best Film Editing.
It's very rare that a film is even awarded so many Oscars, however it's unheard of, in terms of a film that's not been that highly rated by other prestigious international award ceremonies and film festivals, or by highly respected critics.
I acknowledge that you will always find people who love or hate films, and that EEAAO has polarised the international film community and critics, however there has never been as vast a difference in opinion regarding a film, and if it has just one a few Oscars I don't think anyone would be scratching their heads, however Seven Oscars has led many critics to suggest that the film is overrated on an epic scale, and that it's more to do with the Hollywood psyche and agenda rather than anything else.
Has the definition of "never" been changed to now mean within this century? I guess if you want to be able to exclude Titanic. The film garnered 14 nominations and won 11 awards at the Oscars. Out of the 10 BAFTA nominations that Titanic received, how many did Titanic win? Zero. Was the Academy being woke even then for being so generous to Titanic, a film that failed to win a single award at BAFTA?
Now let's compare EEAAO with All Quiet on the Western Front, the BAFTA Best Film winner.
EEAAO
Oscars: 11 nominations, 7 wins
BAFTA: 10 nominations, 1 win
Toronto Film Critics Assn: Best Actor win, runner-up for Best Picture, Director, Actress, Supporting Actress
Sundance: none
Berlin: none
Total awards from various organizations (per IMDB): 352
AQOTWF
Oscars: 9 nominations, 4 wins
BAFTA: 14 nominations, 7 wins
Toronto Film Critics Assn: none
Sundance: none
Berlin: none
Total awards from various organizations (per IMDB): 34
Seems like BAFTA is the one acting woke this year?
By the way, last year marked the first time that both the Oscars and Sundance agreed on the winner for the Best Picture. So if you must use the Sundance Film Festival as a cudgel to bash EEAAO then be fair and do the same for the other Best Picture winners, with the exception of CODA.
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As for the films you have mentioned both BAFTA and the Academy Awards rated The English Patient, as did American Beauty and the same is true of Gladiator, which also did quite well at both the BAFTA and Academy Awards.
Please see the post I quoted previously--I was not the one who declared authoritatively that these are terrible films. For the record, I happen to like Gladiator.
I haven't watched EEAAO yet. After reading all the comments about it, I'll be curious to see whether I will keep watching. I tend to dislike films that are strange, vague and undecipherable. We'll see.
Or how about when GLADIATOR won Best Picture? GLADIATOR?!?!?!
I suspect much the same thing is going to happen with EEAAO. In upcoming years, people are going to start saying, "You know. It's really not all that great."
What?! Gladiator totally deserved the win!
If you wrote that with a feminist's gun to your head, I can understand otherwise you are on crazy.
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What makes it harder is that these films play in theaters for such a short period of time, and if you don't have a particular streaming platform (e.g. "Everything, Everywhere, All at Once" is available only to purchase, for more $ than most would want to pay), then you can't see the film.
Or you can stream it, but you aren't interested in seeing that particular film, e.g. "All Quiet on the Western Front." The book was depressing enough to read. And this version is in German, unlike the 1930 film.
Your library system has probably got most of the top movies in Blu-Ray or DVD, and if your local library doesn't, they are likely part of a larger regional system, and you can get them all for free. That's what we do.
We don't subscribe to any streaming platform, yet we get all the best movies.
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