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Old 01-16-2017, 04:32 PM
 
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It wasnt meant to compare. Read the paragraph IN CONTEXT. (I realize this is difficult in this day/age) It meant that all schooling is LOCAL. You can be in a good school in a bad or mediocre state for public education or a bad school in a good state. What state you're in is irrelevant, only what LOCALE you're in.
lol Dude I read it in context. You made it a completely separate sentence, then said the kids in those 26 are getting top notch educations and probably don't care about lower overall graduation rates. Sounds to me like a sort of comparison especially because you said NJ has 10.

Anyway, my point in saying anything in the first place was TX is irrelevant here. Of all states people from NJ flee to, TX is not even the most common one. Why waste so much time talking about TX?

I'm sure the TX forums would love to hear people talk it up.
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Old 01-16-2017, 04:34 PM
 
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Funny, but yesterday I googled myself, and found out there is a person with the same name as me in NJ. As far as I know, there is no one with our last name in the US who isn't from my DHs family.
Anyway, I snooped a little and happened to notice that this person's property tax in NJ was almost $20,000. a year. My God, how do any of you do it?
I've never had property taxes over $2400. in my whole life.
We do it because NJ residents on average earn a lot more money than people do where you live. The median household income in GA is $51,244. In NJ it's $72,222. Also, the person you looked up with a nearly $20k tax bill is living in a house worth somewhere between $750k and $1 million in market value. Which means his annual household income is likely measured in the 100s of thousands of dollars, not 10s of thousands. So affordability is a relative concept. That said, I assure you that even though NJ has the highest property taxes in the country, most of its residents aren't living in homes assessed high enough to be paying $20k a year.
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Old 01-16-2017, 04:35 PM
 
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Have fun fighting for your "heritage", pal.
I'm not a Texan pardner...but that there was a pretty bad statement o' yours

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We do it because NJ residents on average earn a lot more money than people do where you live. The median household income in GA is $51,244. In NJ it's $72,222. Also, the person you looked up with a nearly $20k tax bill is living in a house worth somewhere between $750k and $1 million in market value. Which means his annual household income is likely measured in the 100s of thousands of dollars, not 10s of thousands. So affordability is a relative concept. That said, I assure you that even though NJ has the highest property taxes in the country, most of its residents aren't living in homes assessed high enough to be paying $20k a year.
And they're working 80 hours a week for it too!
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Old 01-16-2017, 04:37 PM
 
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I'm not a Texan pardner...but that there was a pretty bad statement o' yours
It's a free country and I don't have to respect people in the southern states who honor their ancestors' treason.
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Old 01-16-2017, 04:42 PM
 
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While you may consider those property tax rates to be high, they are not by Texas, or at least DFW, standards. They may even be on the low end. So, no, you did not prove that those schools "come with the state's highest taxes."

Dallas, DFW | 2016 Property Tax Rates - Dave Downs
I never said they were the highest tax rates in the entire state TX, nor was I attempting to prove as such. But they are higher than average for the state. The point being made was that better schools typically mean higher taxes. And if you read through the string of posts, you'll note the discussion was limited to the suburbs of North Dallas.
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Old 01-16-2017, 04:53 PM
 
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Um, did you even read your link's methodology? Texas ranks 41 when it comes to taking money from the federal government and it also calls Texas a low dependency state. What Texas gets from the federal government, which may largely or entirely (depending on the year, iirc) be composed of what Texas residents pay in to the federal government, only makes up a large portion of the state's spending because the state has low taxes, not because Texas is sucking unearned money out of the Treasury.
I did read the methodology, did you? You're confusing two different subcategories tha tmade up teh overall ranking. That 41st rank refers to the subcategory of the residents of Texas reliance on federal aid. The TX government itself is ranked 24th most dependent on Federal aid.
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Old 01-16-2017, 04:58 PM
 
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Eight grader percentages are useless. I'd be more interested in data for recent high school graduates. Also, percent of adult population with a high school diploma isn't the same or useful as graduation rate, at least in Texas, seeing as the state has fixed it's problem with low graduation rates
You think it's useless information that most kids entering high school as 9th graders in TX are bordering on illiteracy? lol. What...you think that 4 years later these same kids are magically proficient in reading and math? So the elementary and middle school system in TX is substandard, but the high schools are magically turning it all around within 4 years. Is that what you believe? Um, okay.
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Old 01-16-2017, 05:04 PM
 
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Why are we spending so much time talking about Texas? Who the eff cares about Texas?

Generally, schools in NJ are much better. I think this is where this tangent started, and it's where it should end, because it's true.
This debate started when a poster suggested that high taxes are a waste, to which I responded that when they fund education they are not. He held out Texas is an example of a state with low taxes that has schools as good as NJ's, in an attempt to prove that low taxes can produce top schools. He stated the suburbs of north Dallas as an example. The only problems with that premise being that those north Dallas suburbs neither have low taxes, nor do they have schools that would rank any better than average if they were in NJ.
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Old 01-16-2017, 05:09 PM
 
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It's a free country and I don't have to respect people in the southern states who honor their ancestors' treason.
It's a free country and I can call you out for knocking a state you've never been to

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This debate started when a poster suggested that high taxes are a waste, to which I responded that when they fund education they are not. He held out Texas is an example of a state with low taxes that has schools as good as NJ's, in an attempt to prove that low taxes can produce top schools. He stated the suburbs of north Dallas as an example. The only problems with that premise being that those north Dallas suburbs neither have low taxes, nor do they have schools that would rank any better than average if they were in NJ.
By your logic, Obama and Bush were the best preznents because they spent (Wasted) the most money. Since $$$ = rankings in this liberal ranking systems. It's the same with universities. Harvahd has the most $$$ and the most well connected grads. It's not like their teaching quality is a billion times better than a state school.

Ever realize that students in NJ probably do better in certain districts because they are kids from wealthy families that are better off? It's not like the teachers deserve any credit. Out of all the teachers I've can remember, only a handful were exceptional. Hats off to them, but the rest are guzzlers.

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You think it's useless information that most kids entering high school as 9th graders in TX are bordering on illiteracy? lol. What...you think that 4 years later these same kids are magically proficient in reading and math? So the elementary and middle school system in TX is substandard, but the high schools are magically turning it all around within 4 years. Is that what you believe? Um, okay.
correction: native spanish speakers don't do well on english tests. Are you racist, amigo?
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Old 01-16-2017, 05:17 PM
 
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Like I said, ratings are based ON SPENDING. haha what a scam...pay us for ratings! And newsflash: the reading exam scores are so bad because there many cannot speak english (very high illegal hispanic population)!!! That's why they are "illiterate". Stop with this liberal teacher nonsense that if you don't spend 15k per pupil everyone will be illiterate. Nonsense.

The only objective difference there is the 5% difference in graduation rate.

What a joke, try some analysis pal.



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{Sigh} You obviously didn't review the rankings. They are not based on spending. Louisiana spends a healthy $11,267 per student, which is exactly midpack nationwide. Yet it comes in at a ranking of 43rd right below TX, so it's schools are worse than those of Texas despite spending a lot more.
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