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Enclaving is a very good descriptive term for that phenomenon.
That afore-mentioned guy had an aunt who had only left Down-Neck Newark a few times in her entire 60+ year lifetime, and those forays were solely to Seaside Heights. That woman--who was as dumb as the proverbial box of rocks--never experienced any aspects of life outside of a couple of square miles of Down-Neck Newark and Seaside Heights.
One of my favorite--and very revealing--tales of that guy's mostly non-English-speaking Italian-American family was their policy of smashing drinking glasses if they had been used by Black workmen whom they had hired. Despite his denials of familial racism, few--if any--members of his family would have been able to correctly spell "racist" in the English language.
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I'm familiar with Pal Park from back in the 80's. It was a working class town, and it was dying.. Broad Ave commerce was 50% vacant, home values low. Koreans came in and revitalized the town. All the younger generation of Pal park natives moved out by the 90's, the only non Koreans left are the old generation. Home values have gone up 1000% since the Koreans moved in. Koreans are hard workers, their children are overachievers, 95%+ go on to college, many go to excellent schools and yes, they speak English.
You basically have two growing demographics in Pal Park today; Koreans and gays/lesbians. Old school whites of European ancestry (unless LGBT) are simply dying out and or moving away.
Enclaving is a very good descriptive term for that phenomenon.
That afore-mentioned guy had an aunt who had only left Down-Neck Newark a few times in her entire 60+ year lifetime, and those forays were solely to Seaside Heights. That woman--who was as dumb as the proverbial box of rocks--never experienced any aspects of life outside of a couple of square miles of Down-Neck Newark and Seaside Heights.
One of my favorite--and very revealing--tales of that guy's mostly non-English-speaking Italian-American family was their policy of smashing drinking glasses if they had been used by Black workmen whom they had hired. Despite his denials of familial racism, few--if any--members of his family would have been able to correctly spell "racist" in the English language.
People like to point the finger; but seem to forget early in the last century it was the Italians, Irish, Polish and a few other European groups that began pushing out Germans, Dutch and British ancestry and taking over towns, villages, areas or whatever making themselves "top dogs".
From parts of Massachusetts right through NY/NJ and onto Philly Irish and Italians ran politics, law enforcement, elected offices, and so forth. They reinforced that domination by high birth rates coupled with immigration. Then came the Kennedy immigration act and that was that.
Couple changes in immigration with smaller family size (on average) for the once extremely fertile Irish and Italian things were bound to change.
Pal Park is majority Korean (over 50% IIRC), so the fact Mrs. R or anyone else believes or believed that does not have political consequences is funny.
Mrs. R's idea of MAGA is stuck with another guy from the 1970's
Ironically, 15 years ago the complaint about Korean-Americans in Palisades Park was that they weren't getting involved enough in Civic duty, voting and ignored having a political voice - and therefore not being American enough.
Also, assimilating suggests a 1 way street. Integration is 2 way. As much as minorities even try to assimilate, sometimes the majority don't fully allow it. And assimilation could mean something different if a Korean-American family moves to Union City vs Teaneck vs Phillipsburg...or Newark or Camden.
A look back throughout US history...most ethnic groups came and didnt integrate until a few generations later - polish, Irish, German, Italian, Jewish, etc.
You basically have two growing demographics in Pal Park today; Koreans and gays/lesbians. Old school whites of European ancestry (unless LGBT) are simply dying out and or moving away.
"Whites of European ancestry" is a modern socialist construct. It doesn't really exist. A WASP (White Anglo Saxon Protestant) or someone of English, Dutch or German ancestry left Bergen county generations ago when the post WW2 italians and Irish catholics were moving in and there was racist persecution going on then too. You still have blue laws in Bergen county when clearly, wasps have mostly left the area and predominately catholic. Blue Laws will end soon as a function of demographics.
And Pal Park wasn't "white" when the Koreans came. It was Italian.
Racism is a generational projection in NJ. The persecuted become persecutors to new set of immigrants.
The signs in pal park have both Korean and English. That law is strictly enforced, stop spreading bs.
False -- not all the signs are in both Korean and English, I'll drive by tomorrow & take some photos for you.
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One could make the argument that what you describe Koreans doing is the most American of traits. Early immigrants from Europe and their descendants did not assimilate to Native American culture..they tried to survive..expanded and succeeded. It's been the story of growing ethnic communities throughout US history..eventually the immigrant culture expands enough to be considered the American normal
ok, I'll take the bait
Like I said in my post, culture ≠ country.
Did the Native American's have a country ?
Further, is it your wish for the USA to be overtaken by "the immigrant culture" ?
False -- not all the signs are in both Korean and English, I'll drive by tomorrow & take some photos for you.
ok, I'll take the bait
Like I said in my post, culture ≠ country.
Did the Native American's have a country ?
Further, is it your wish for the USA to be overtaken by "the immigrant culture" ?
Well, yes; much of what is now called North America once belonged to Indians/Native Americans if anyone until Europeans arrived.
But as non-whites they weren't thought of as anything to worry about after all first they were "pagans". Secondly the god of White European settlers obviously meant for them to have the *New World*, it was their destiny.
False -- not all the signs are in both Korean and English, I'll drive by tomorrow & take some photos for you.
ok, I'll take the bait
Like I said in my post, culture ≠ country.
Did the Native American's have a country ?
Further, is it your wish for the USA to be overtaken by "the immigrant culture" ?
Depends on whose perspective (or whose definition) you use to define "country". If you were to ask a Comanche in the early 19th century, they would tell you that the Southwest was Comanche country. The Sioux would have said that the Dakotas were the their country. Before 1803, France would have said that Louisiana was part of their country.
I guess the most accurate answer is - America has always been the country of whoever occupies its lands, forms its government, makes up its military, and makes up its towns and cities. The demographic that makes up Little Italy in 1910 or 1880 Lancaster County PA is as much a part of America as Palisades Park today.
America is different from homogeneous countries (like Korea) in that Union City NJ is so different from Mendham, which is again very different from San Jose or Miami or Detroit.
I'm not sure what you mean by the USA to be overtaken by "the immigrant culture". Much of what we consider American culture today was once associated with "immigrant culture" (like pizza and hot dogs). If American culture is working hard, striving for the American dream, and defending your country then I think you have to consider that Korean-Americans have made the effort to assimilate to American culture. Asian-Americans are over-represented in the US military compared to their population percentage - Filipinos are at the top followed by Koreans. If your standard for assimilation is speaking English fluently as a first language, then I think you'll find that in 2nd generation Korean-Americans. By the 3rd generation, most won't even know how to speak Korean anymore (like 3rd generation Italian-Americans).
But all that aside, what do you find wrong with USA being overtaken by "immigrant culture"? The USA is a culture that's been defined by immigration. Do you think being American is just speaking English and having signs in English? That might as well be England or Australia. By the 2nd or 3rd generation, Korean-Americans are speaking English as a first language and if they open businesses - the signs are in English. They're also running for office, voting, serving in the military, and doing everything else other Americans are doing. Of course, they will look different from white Americans but hey - that'll always be the case.
But all that aside, what do you find wrong with USA being overtaken by "immigrant culture"? The USA is a culture that's been defined by immigration.
Immigration was intended to complement our culture, not define it.
And, IMNSHO, immigration has served it's purpose. The USA no longer needs to bolster its population.
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Do you think being American is just speaking English and having signs in English?
Yes.
You want to speak/write something other than English ?
Fine -- just don't expect the rest of us to adapt to you.
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That might as well be England or Australia.
No, we have the Stars & Stripes -- not the Union Jack.
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