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Not sure what you consider art but writing your name, street cliq, block, etc in graffitti would not be consider art to a lot of people. Also, performing your "art" when you are not asked or wanted to is similar to pushing views/morals on a person.
I never once implied anything you just said. I did however say beauty is in the eye of it's beholder. What's art to you, most likely isn't art to me or the next guy & girl. That's the beauty in it. We don't have to agree on this and we won't. I was never trying to imply that graffiti is a cool thing to do. I just happen to LIKE these photos. TO ME, they are a work of art. From a photographic stance, to be more specific.
Furthermore Art/being an artist, is a skill EVERYONE (in today's society) seem to think they possess. "Oh anyone can do that" -_____- I'm not talking about "names/gangs" - that's tacky to me and pointless.
Please explain to me how performing your art is like pushing your (personal) views/morals on a person? You can like or disagree with an artist point of view, most don't mind that at all. That's the point of being an artist, evoking emotion/causing controversy (not saying all graffiti artist will be/want to be the next 'great').
I was just a little ticked off at some of the responses, so narrow-minded. Let's look at the photos for what they are and NOT what they were.
Ive been living in nyc my entire life (24) and my mom used to tell me about how
dirty it used to be..i do recognize some of those trains, like the A/C and the 5 (or
some other number train). LOVE the photo of the chick on the back of outside..
looks like Far Rock, only place I know where you cross so much water. Sometimes
you can see the remaining tags in places..especially the Q to Coney Island. If
your not a native New Yorker sometimes its hard to see the beauty. NYC for life.
OMG I was crying laughing from the video you posted in that thread.
I work on the border of Williamsburg and Greenpoint. It's now going to take all my strength to not take a baseball bat with me on my way to work tomorrow.
ETS: Unless I beat someone down with it and call it performance art of course.
I never once implied anything you just said. I did however say beauty is in the eye of it's beholder. What's art to you, most likely isn't art to me or the next guy & girl. That's the beauty in it. We don't have to agree on this and we won't. I was never trying to imply that graffiti is a cool thing to do. I just happen to LIKE these photos. TO ME, they are a work of art. From a photographic stance, to be more specific.
Furthermore Art/being an artist, is a skill EVERYONE (in today's society) seem to think they possess. "Oh anyone can do that" -_____- I'm not talking about "names/gangs" - that's tacky to me and pointless.
Please explain to me how performing your art is like pushing your (personal) views/morals on a person? You can like or disagree with an artist point of view, most don't mind that at all. That's the point of being an artist, evoking emotion/causing controversy (not saying all graffiti artist will be/want to be the next 'great').
I was just a little ticked off at some of the responses, so narrow-minded. Let's look at the photos for what they are and NOT what they were.
Defacing public/private property is pushing your personal views on a person/society. Keep that "art" in an art gallery or a canvas.
I was just a little ticked off at some of the responses, so narrow-minded. Let's look at the photos for what they are and NOT what they were.
You mean you didn't appreciate the responses declaring graffiti to be vandalism? Then I must ask you the same question I always ask such people: if someone came along at night and tagged your house (or your living room, if you happen to live in an apartment), would you still call it art?
The bottom line--which doesn't change no matter how many times you try to justify it--is that defacing someone else's property is not art. Never has been, and never will be. The ONLY exception to the rule is when it's commissioned.
Anyone who says the subway had "character" when it was full of graffiti is facing 180 degrees in the wrong direction. And probably consuming certain controlled substances, as well.
Studded Leather...please provide your address, so I can have artists create a masterpiece of graffitti all of your home, car, and place of business. Since you can mentally detach the vandalism aspect, you will surely appreciate the art itself and we will all marvel at its beauty and agree with you.
Until then, you are just making excuses for the defacement of private property.
The way some people become nostalgic about the violent, crime ridden NYC of the 70's and 80's reminds me of how eager young people used to be to go to fight prior to the Vietnam war. So wide eyed and excited about all the heroism and glory they would get to experience but completely unaware of the extreme suffering they were about to face.
Of course not all was bad about that time period in the city and not all is good now, but la
rgely life is much better and less harsh than it was then. Anyway, enjoy the safety and relative prosperity of today because bad times always cycle back. Anyone that wants graffiti and fear will eventually get to experience it.
Oh, nobody really misses the crime. They miss a city that was more genuine, more real. One that was not dominated by chains and the uniformity that brings.
To live in New York is to exhibit a certain machismo. Its crowded, expensive, fast-paced, and always a bit mad. It's also exciting. The graffiti trains were a part of that machismo. The ever-present feeling of living in a place that is great, but also scares most people.
Not saying it's rational. Just saying.
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