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Yup. Other going than Italy, as an ethnic Italian, my idea of tourism is extremely different than the "typical" yuppie's. My traditional vacation spots have been South Florida, Canada, and Las Vegas. While the yuppie goes to Paris, Aspen, Hawaii, etc.
Good call with Greenpoint.
But I'd include Park Slope in that too. Not so much with the hipsters, but It's become the yuppie headquarters, yet there's still a multi-generational working-class white presence. I have cousins who've been in Park Slope for 50~ years, and know nowhere else, and they've got quite a few neighbors who have a similar backstory.
I agree with your statement on Park Slope. The big thing with Park Slope and Windsor Terrace is that they were working class white areas. Not wealthy areas but you had a decent area. Also the biggest anchor is Prospect Park. Also no projects. That's huge. What would you say is The Bronx's prospect park? Crotona? Vanny?
I agree with your statement on Park Slope. The big thing with Park Slope and Windsor Terrace is that they were working class white areas. Not wealthy areas but you had a decent area. Also the biggest anchor is Prospect Park. Also no projects. That's huge. What would you say is The Bronx's prospect park? Crotona? Vanny?
I'd give Southern Brooklyn a nod at being affordable as well.
Yea the white areas in southern Brooklyn are. I saw a nice luxurious 2 bedroom condo for only 1700 in gravesend. A studio version like that by my school John Jay would run for 3k a month.
I didn't say you won't find a hipsters in the Bronx.
But to say that they will be moving there in large numbers...I don't think there is a high chance.
Yes, I do travel around NYC often.
I didn't say you won't see EBT or WIC signs in parts of Brooklyn. I'm very well aware that you will see them.
regardless, The Bronx is still one of the poorest parts of NYC.
and you are correct because I remember there was a crime of spree of people getting robbed for Iphones at one point in the city.
As for people looking down on poor people, this will always be the case (because many gentrifiers do), as we can't change their prejudiced views or ways. Do I like it...no. But prejudiced people do exist.
I wasn't blaming you or anyone else and I know that even if the Bronx does gentrify it won't be to the level of Williamsburg.
Tired of seeing hood people "chillin'" outside conducting themselves in a loud, unruly and uncivil manner. To me, gentrification will get rid of these type of characters just as it has in other parts of the city that were formerly "hood".
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Loads of them still live in Harlem, and the Bronx is as packed with social housing. The people who will be squeezed out are those who are too "rich" to benefit from social housing, but who cant afford $3k/month in rent.
I didn't say you won't find a hipsters in the Bronx.
But to say that they will be moving there in large numbers...I don't think there is a high chance.
Yes, I do travel around NYC often.
I didn't say you won't see EBT or WIC signs in parts of Brooklyn. I'm very well aware that you will see them.
regardless, The Bronx is still one of the poorest parts of NYC.
and you are correct because I remember there was a crime of spree of people getting robbed for Iphones at one point in the city.
As for people looking down on poor people, this will always be the case (because many gentrifiers do), as we can't change their prejudiced views or ways. Do I like it...no. But prejudiced people do exist.
I wasn't blaming you or anyone else and I know that even if the Bronx does gentrify it won't be to the level of Williamsburg.
Some parts of the Bronx are the poorest in NYC, actually poverty has decreased in the South Bronx over the years. And to be honest I find the Bronx pretty expensive these days especially how the way it is. It takes time to change neighborhoods and changes do not happen over night. Of course you wont see whites moving in large numbers. Whites did not move in large numbers to Williamsburg, or Bushwick or Bedstuy initially. Gentrification is a long process that takes years. If I'm not mistaken an urbanist thinker Joel Kotkin remembers the East Village started to get yuppie around the 1960s and how many Italians who were low to middle income moved out. It took a good 20-30 years for the East Village to fully gentrify and now its a playground for elites. Even Williamsburg is not fully gentrified. I'd say probably in another ten years Williamsburg can be fully gentrified. Hell I don't even want to see Williamsburg style gentrification in the Bronx but a mix of it would be nice. However I think gentrification does more harm than good for many locals in the community especially those who are uneducated, those that don't own business and or property. Also gentrification creates plenty of poverty with its crappy low wage, no benefit jobs. In order for things to get better in parts of the Bronx, one thing that needs to change is Bronx politics.
Loads of them still live in Harlem, and the Bronx is as packed with social housing. The people who will be squeezed out are those who are too "rich" to benefit from social housing, but who cant afford $3k/month in rent.
Of course there's still alot of them. No one said Harlem was 100% ghetto free. However despite there still being alot of ghetto people in Harlem, the number of them has been decreasing year after year due to gentrification in Harlem. The combination of lesser ghetto people in Harlem combined with a newer non-ghetto demographic moving in, has resulted in a safer, cleaner and more desirable place to live in Harlem compared to years prior before Harlem began to gentrify. Harlem still has a long way to go but at least its headed in the right direction.
Of course there's still alot of them. No one said Harlem was 100% ghetto free. However despite there still being alot of ghetto people in Harlem, the number of them has been decreasing year after year due to gentrification in Harlem. The combination of lesser ghetto people in Harlem combined with a newer non-ghetto demographic moving in, has resulted in a safer, cleaner and more desirable place to live in Harlem compared to years prior before Harlem began to gentrify. Harlem still has a long way to go but at least its headed in the right direction.
Barbra Corcoran the real estate titan, Keeps saying buy buy buy in Harlem.
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