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Old 01-03-2017, 11:33 AM
 
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Airbnb takes affordable apartments off the market too, so I don't know why you are advocating removing the restrictions. You sound like a typical Republican who wants unfettered everything.

And in your first sentence, it's should be its. It's means "it is." A writer dude should know that.
Airbnb also let's people quickly make money by renting out space in their apartments, or their entire apartments. If someone is poor or low income, there isn't a quick LEGAL way to make enough money to support themselves. It's gotten so bad that homelessness is rising. Clearly a number of regulations that provide barriers to employment or doing business need to be eliminated.
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Old 01-03-2017, 11:38 AM
 
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Stop providing them free housing and they will move someplace more affordable and actually try to get a job.
That's the problem though. They weren't moving anywhere without the free housing. They stayed on the streets of the city, in the subways, etc.

Clearly NYC isn't able to get rid of it's vast poor population, and they are just shifting around how they house them. A 300% increase in housing them in hotels in less than a year (with more to come) just means a number of hotels will defacto become welfare motels.
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Old 01-03-2017, 11:40 AM
 
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Yes and no. Certainly there is value in many people coming to the city. However, right now, New York City is required by court order to provide housing to anyone, regardless of their most recent address. For example, the couple whose daughters died had traveled from their home in Maine to New York and went directly to the homeless services office for housing on arrival (the father had lived in New York years ago so knew how to work the system). I don't think most people feel that this family should have been required to be offered housing by the homeless services agency in New York City; if they were homeless in Maine (they weren't), they should have sought services in Maine. Nor do I think most people would say that we should encourage similar types of movement to NYC that were in significant part motivated by the prospect of free housing.

That said, people with their most recent address outside of NYC is a relatively small (about 2%) portion of the total homeless population served by homeless services. (On the other hand, this may be in part because people claim addresses in NYC, which are not verified, where they have never actually lived when applying for services, or otherwise move to NYC, live in a friend's place for a month and then claim homeless services; the percent of homeless who had an address outside of NYC within the last two years is around 25%.)
No court order forced the city to rent out a lot of hotel rooms to house the homeless though. De Blasio did that because he came under criticism because of the rapidly rising number of homeless and he wanted to be able to say he was doing something.
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Old 01-03-2017, 11:41 AM
 
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People with no money will not move. They will be homeless. Most of my clients I deal with are homeless and live in SRO's or hotels.
Many of them had good jobs or at least work. But were just one paycheck from being homeless and now can't get back on their feet.
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Old 01-03-2017, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Portsmouth, VA
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Subletting? Or not enough to meet current demand. Myself personally I would not want to be in that situation but that's just me.
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Old 01-03-2017, 11:49 AM
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NYC is legally obliged to house all homeless. The Callahan v Carey consent decree.


This knowledge has increasingly spread outside NYC, and for people in desperate situations, it may present the only viable option they see. The problem will get worse, not better, as we have seen in the last few years.
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Old 01-03-2017, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Portsmouth, VA
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NYC is legally obliged to house all homeless. The Callahan v Carey consent decree.


This knowledge has increasingly spread outside NYC, and for people in desperate situations, it may present the only viable option they see. The problem will get worse, not better, as we have seen in the last few years.
Sounds like an experiment in social engineering.
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:55 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Airbnb also let's people quickly make money by renting out space in their apartments, or their entire apartments. If someone is poor or low income, there isn't a quick LEGAL way to make enough money to support themselves. It's gotten so bad that homelessness is rising. Clearly a number of regulations that provide barriers to employment or doing business need to be eliminated.
Is that how this actually works or has it been more major operators running multiple properties as short term rentals within the city for visitors and making more money while keeping more apartments out of supply? 'Cause so far for high demand cities, that's pretty much happens unless there are regulations to prevent that.
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:55 PM
 
Location: new yawk zoo
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My solution? With all these states legalizing marijuana, NY should legalizing marijuana. They should legalize prostitution, and institute further deregulations. The recently passed restrictions against Airbnb should be undone. They set up a system making it almost impossible for a good section of the public to support themselves via work. So after homelessness skyrockets under Bloomberg, it gets even worse under de Blasio who is just throwing welfare dollars at the problem.
I can't believe I actually agree with you. Throwing $$$ at it is just a band aid...a very expensive band aid
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Old 01-03-2017, 04:12 PM
 
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We need to start implementing Greyhound therapy.
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