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True - and many of those countries of origination are basically third world countries. We are going to tell the Filipino American who grew up until 8 in slums in Manila to get outta here even though they studied for two years and aced the SHS test because we've got to let in kid of "the right PC skin color" - i.e. a kid born here in the US speaking English and living with the advantages of a first world country? (btw The kid from Manila (city changed to preserve anonymity) is a real kid, who is now in one of the SHS schools).
That screams "fair" to me.
This bill will ensure Filipinos never get into a specialized high school ever again.
Then again the city is not all about Asians getting into top schools, since these schools are paid for by taxes from all NYC taxpayers.
So the demographics of these schools caused a political backlash, which was bound to happen at some point.
Then maybe they shouldn't have these schools at all then. Because it's simply not going to be fair how much higher the standards would be for an Asian kid to get in. What de Blasio is proposing is much more dramatic than the affirmative action that colleges use.
And I really don't think high schoolers should have this kind of stress anyway.
It is because the kids look different than your usual white or black American. That is why all the backlash. It is because people are racist against foreigners.
No. It's because Asians are not the majority of NYC taxpayers. The city is not all about them, or supporting special schools for them.
There aren't enough Asians who elect a mayor or city council interested in keeping this in favor of Asians.
And let's be real, without political or economic clout no one is going to care what you scored on a test.
Somebody posted statistics? I would like to know if the city keeps records on that, not hearsay.
Measured by a combination of self reported for free lunch and U.S. Census.
School Name Year Total Enrollment # Poverty % Poverty Economic Need Index
Stuyvesant High School 2013-14 3292 1555 47.2%
Stuyvesant High School 2014-15 3296 1500 45.5% 32.8%
Stuyvesant High School 2015-16 3327 1434 43.1% 32.6%
Stuyvesant High School 2016-17 3365 1526 45.3% 32.3%
Stuyvesant High School 2017-18 3336 1477 44.3% 41.8%
Then maybe they shouldn't have these schools at all then. Because it's simply not going to be fair how much higher the standards would be for an Asian kid to get in. What de Blasio is proposing is much more dramatic than the affirmative action that colleges use.
And I really don't think high schoolers should have this kind of stress anyway.
I agree high schools should not have this kind of stress, and I think the number of tests given are absurd. Most of these kids at these high schools will not get into top universities ANYWAY. All that drama just to get into a high school is absurd.
I also don't like a system which sets up a few New Yorkers to get into high schools and screw the rest of the public schools.
So I'm okay with de Blasio changing admissions, but truthfully I would eliminate these schools altogether.
No. It's because Asians are not the majority of NYC taxpayers. The city is not all about them, or supporting special schools for them.
There aren't enough Asians who elect a mayor or city council interested in keeping this in favor of Asians.
And let's be real, without political or economic clout no one is going to care what you scored on a test.
That last part is a bit funny. It's true about political or economic clout but you're stating it as if it had nothing to do with test scores. On an individual basis it might not mean anything as there are all kinds of things that can happen, but on a larger group basis, these kinds of meritocratic ladders have always been a pretty great way to build economic and political clout. Schools and test scores are not on an individual the only way up the ladder, not by a long shot, but having a large portion of a group doing well can have a pretty large effect overall.
And let's be serious here: the specialized high schools take up nowhere near the majority of NYC taxpayer funds for high schools. This idea of proportionality is a weak argument. What needs to be pushed is ideas for getting actual results.
That last part is a bit funny. It's true about political or economic clout but you're stating it as if it had nothing to do with test scores. On an individual basis it might not mean anything as there are all kinds of things that can happen, but on a larger group basis, these kinds of meritocratic ladders have always been a pretty great way to build economic and political clout.
Collectively and historically for most of the nation's history it never meant anything either. In the early 20th century a high school degree was rare and they didn't become the norm till after WW2.
Here is a secret on why test taking does not matter. If everyone scores very high on a test, universities will simply come up with metrics to screen out the majority of them. 20 to 30% of the nation has bachelors degrees and many of them are underemployed, or even if they are gainfully employed their debt to equity ratio is in pretty bad shape due to student loans.
So yes, ultimately it does not matter that you score high on tests.
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