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Yea, but he isn't throwing stones in a glass house. stormgal's going on about how she's doing it on her own, but is leaning on support from others. It's cool.
The jobs are there. The education is there. You have to make an effort to go find opportunities - and they are there. The people who lay around and complain and waste time hanging out and doing drugs or drinking because of peer pressure or otherwise are doing it to themselves.
What's wrong with personal responsibility? Why is success frowned upon? It gives me the impression that you want other people's failures to be because of something that other people have done to them. It's sort of a crutch for avoiding blame for your own failures. Well no. Own up to your own responsibilities. The sooner you own up to what caused the problems, the better you are in correcting the problem.
And what support am I receiving to be successful? A lottery apartment? LOL - I can afford market rate and outside of the city I can live even greater. I work from home every single day and am allowed to live in another State where my cash will definitely have me livin' it up like a queen. I get to save and don't live paycheck to paycheck.
Here's the deal - it's actually quite easy: Don't do drugs, don't be promiscuous, avoid children out of wedlock, bad marriages, study study study (for careers that actually PAY), and you should do well. Period, end of story. If you have an emotional problem, go see a therapist.
We used to ship them out, esp. under Bloomberg. He'd get them a one way ticket to where ever, pay up the rent for some months, and they would be someone else's problem. De Blasio has tried that, but other places have balked. lol
NYC is just too tenant focused, and it leads to people abusing the system. We have a right to shelter here in NYC, and some of the most liberal housing policies in the country, so you do have people that come here knowing this. It's a huge tax burden when you have people leeching off of the system.
Blame your 1% for making all of this entirely possible. How could you possess all the power with no money
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The jobs are there. The education is there. You have to make an effort to go find opportunities - and they are there. The people who lay around and complain and waste time hanging out and doing drugs or drinking because of peer pressure or otherwise are doing it to themselves.
What's wrong with personal responsibility? Why is success frowned upon? It gives me the impression that you want other people's failures to be because of something that other people have done to them. It's sort of a crutch for avoiding blame for your own failures. Well no. Own up to your own responsibilities. The sooner you own up to what caused the problems, the better you are in correcting the problem.
And what support am I receiving to be successful? A lottery apartment? LOL - I can afford market rate and outside of the city I can live even greater. I work from home every single day and am allowed to live in another State where my cash will definitely have me livin' it up like a queen. I get to save and don't live paycheck to paycheck.
Here's the deal - it's actually quite easy: Don't do drugs, don't be promiscuous, avoid children out of wedlock, bad marriages, study study study (for careers that actually PAY), and you should do well. Period, end of story. If you have an emotional problem, go see a therapist.
Yea, no one disagreed with these things. One problem is that you can't keep track of what's actually being said. You were going on about various groups of people from some cultures that do well for themselves--these are parts of learned personal, familial, and community behavior. My point is and continues to be that it is difficult to have these learned behaviors in communities where generations after generations of anything of the sort had been forcibly destroyed things like not even being allowed to be married and then couples and children forcibly separated for generations upon generations. It may take a while for large portions of a community to recover from that as these basic habits are often learned and conditioned traits passed from family and community members.
Yes, a lottery apartment is support. Some of us can't qualify for lottery apartments anywhere unless they start doing 200% AMI in Carnegie Hill or something like that in which case uh, sure. Your version of living it up like a queen is fine. It's just that to some people, it'd probably appear pretty small and limited. Probably also pretty lonely.
Yea, no one disagreed with these things. One problem is that you can't keep track of what's actually being said. You were going on about various groups of people from some cultures that do well for themselves--these are parts of learned personal, familial, and community behavior. My point is and continues to be that it is difficult to have these learned behaviors in communities where generations after generations of anything of the sort had been forcibly destroyed things like not even being allowed to be married and then couples and children forcibly separated for generations upon generations. It may take a while for large portions of a community to recover from that as these basic habits are often learned and conditioned traits passed from family and community members.
Yes, a lottery apartment is support. Some of us can't qualify for lottery apartments anywhere unless they start doing 200% AMI in Carnegie Hill or something like that in which case uh, sure. Your version of living it up like a queen is fine. It's just that to some people, it'd probably appear pretty small and limited. Probably also pretty lonely.
You also have to acknowledge the glorification in pop culture like music videos that glamorize a lifestyle of freewheeling sex, drugs, and crime. I'm not Muslim and I disagree strongly with many of its principles but that faith imposes a strict sense of discipline and order on people who need guidance. There is a reason why it is so common among prison convertees - the very population group who are trying to turn their lives around.
Yea, no one disagreed with these things. One problem is that you can't keep track of what's actually being said. You were going on about various groups of people from some cultures that do well for themselves--these are parts of learned personal, familial, and community behavior. My point is and continues to be that it is difficult to have these learned behaviors in communities where generations after generations of anything of the sort had been forcibly destroyed things like not even being allowed to be married and then couples and children forcibly separated for generations upon generations. It may take a while for large portions of a community to recover from that as these basic habits are often learned and conditioned traits passed from family and community members.
Yes, a lottery apartment is support. Some of us can't qualify for lottery apartments anywhere unless they start doing 200% AMI in Carnegie Hill or something like that in which case uh, sure. Your version of living it up like a queen is fine. It's just that to some people, it'd probably appear pretty small and limited. Probably also pretty lonely.
And… I don’t need to be Jeff Bezos to be happy. Im pretty sure he finds your gentrified home once worth pennies now worth millions petty as well. I’m fine at my 165 AMI.
You also have to acknowledge the glorification in pop culture like music videos that glamorize a lifestyle of freewheeling sex, drugs, and crime. I'm not Muslim and I disagree strongly with many of its principles but that faith imposes a strict sense of discipline and order on people who need guidance. There is a reason why it is so common among prison convertees - the very population group who are trying to turn their lives around.
Yes, that can very much be part of it. I agree with what you're saying about faith as a sort of useful template though I'm agnostic.
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And… I don’t need to be Jeff Bezos to be happy. Im pretty sure he finds your gentrified home once worth pennies now worth millions petty as well. I’m fine at my 165 AMI.
[quote=OyCrumbler;61255681]Yes, that can very much be part of it. I agree with what you're saying about faith as a sort of useful template though I'm agnostic.
See, that's the thing about faith. You and I are agnostic. But the thing that makes it so attractive to so many other people is that there's no proof required. Otherwise once you show objective evidentiary proof then there is no more faith by definition. All you need to do is believe.
How do you clean them out exactly, lock them up? The same facility thats designed to detain someone for committing a crime is also equipped to treat addiction? I highly doubt it. Otherwise they wouldnt be outside addicted in the first place
Start as a child. Foster. Sense of pride and a sense of purpose. In schools in many countries the kids clean the classroom. Civic days means people come together and clean and beautify the neighborhood.
This fosters respect for one's self, ones community and each other.
Teach children life skills from early.
Encourage apprenticeship and learning a trade.
It is so hard and EXPENSIVE to find quality trade folks these days. Many easily make $10k to $40k a month. While many adults sit around all day complaining about having no opportunities, smoking their lives away, taking drug or getting into other stuff.
People with a sense of purpose will less likely go down this path of destruction. Or of they do, it won't consume them as much
One of my family members is a heavy drinker.
He also owns multiple houses, put his kids through school, is an electrician and runs his own business. If he didn't have a 'purpose' maybe he would be also on the side of the street being an abject failure.
The jobs are there. The education is there. You have to make an effort to go find opportunities - and they are there. The people who lay around and complain and waste time hanging out and doing drugs or drinking because of peer pressure or otherwise are doing it to themselves.
What's wrong with personal responsibility? Why is success frowned upon? It gives me the impression that you want other people's failures to be because of something that other people have done to them. It's sort of a crutch for avoiding blame for your own failures. Well no. Own up to your own responsibilities. The sooner you own up to what caused the problems, the better you are in correcting the problem.
And what support am I receiving to be successful? A lottery apartment? LOL - I can afford market rate and outside of the city I can live even greater. I work from home every single day and am allowed to live in another State where my cash will definitely have me livin' it up like a queen. I get to save and don't live paycheck to paycheck.
Here's the deal - it's actually quite easy: Don't do drugs, don't be promiscuous, avoid children out of wedlock, bad marriages, study study study (for careers that actually PAY), and you should do well. Period, end of story. If you have an emotional problem, go see a therapist.
Study or find a trade. Until we start taking pride in ourselves and having personal responsibility it will only get worse.
See, that's the thing about faith. You and I are agnostic. But the thing that makes it so attractive to so many other people is that there's no proof required. Otherwise once you show objective evidentiary proof then there is no more faith by definition. All you need to do is believe.
Yea, there's that. I think that can also apply to larger abstract values or goals that can bring a community together. However, for a lot of the same peoples that went through generations upon generations of forced destruction of family and community groups under slavery, there was also later destruction of community groups and churches that they did form in the aftermath which probably didn't help much. Church burning was pretty rampant as was the targeting of community leaders. The good thing is that even with that a large number of people and their families were able to pull themselves, so it does seem to eventually get better.
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