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If you have a garage, it's easier to just drive. If I lived somewhere where I had to take the subway into Manhattan, I would surely drive all the time. You live in one of the few parts of Manhattan that I could tolerate living in that feels like a neighborhood, but I would have to do a mix of Uber and driving to get to and from.
Am not driving down to Tribeca or Soho or anywhere else in Manhattan, it does not make sense.
Only time will do so is if moving something large.
Long story short even if NYC mass transit returned (or returns) to pre-pandemic levels, MTA would still come up short. Fact that ridership/tolls are not increasing to even overly rosy low predicted numbers spells trouble.
Good portion of this can be traced to what everyone already knows; WFH has taken a huge slice out of NYC area workforce, and is proving rather stubborn to end. It's now nearly three years on since pandemic and NYC office in persons workforce barely is cracking 40% daily. Each month that passes it becomes increasingly clear things just never are going back to why they were in 2018 or 2019.
This is a car-centric country, why would you guys expect this country to be pioneers of public transportation
That's the question I would like answered
It's really time to stop fooling ourselves here
100% agreed.
Public transportation is incorrectly and unfortunately looked down upon in almost every metro area in the United States, as a mode of transport for the poor. That's the perception.
You see the pushback from wealthier or upper middle class areas in just about every metro when expansion plans are discussed. But that's another topic.
Americans love their cars, and the perception is a car equals "freedom" to drive where you want to go at any time of the day or night.
When the mass majority of Americans won't even recycle or cut down on fast food, asking them to minimize car usage and take the subway or train is never gonna happen.
The NYC area has mostly been the outlier for ridership and perception of public transport in the US, but since COVID, ridership is gonna take a long while to get back to where it was.
Public transportation is incorrectly and unfortunately looked down upon in almost every metro area in the United States, as a mode of transport for the poor. That's the perception.
You see the pushback from wealthier or upper middle class areas in just about every metro when expansion plans are discussed. But that's another topic.
Americans love their cars, and the perception is a car equals "freedom" to drive where you want to go at any time of the day or night.
When the mass majority of Americans won't even recycle or cut down on fast food, asking them to minimize car usage and take the subway or train is never gonna happen.
The NYC area has mostly been the outlier for ridership and perception of public transport in the US, but since COVID, ridership is gonna take a long while to get back to where it was.
I don't think it ever fully goes back
Some much ridership is people going to work and offices are never going to be as full as they were pre covid
Public transportation is incorrectly and unfortunately looked down upon in almost every metro area in the United States, as a mode of transport for the poor. That's the perception.
You see the pushback from wealthier or upper middle class areas in just about every metro when expansion plans are discussed. But that's another topic.
Americans love their cars, and the perception is a car equals "freedom" to drive where you want to go at any time of the day or night.
When the mass majority of Americans won't even recycle or cut down on fast food, asking them to minimize car usage and take the subway or train is never gonna happen.
The NYC area has mostly been the outlier for ridership and perception of public transport in the US, but since COVID, ridership is gonna take a long while to get back to where it was.
It's not because of cars. It's because of density. Public transit makes sense when a certain amount of density is accumulated in an area. Otherwise, public transit doesn't make much economic sense unless it's heavily subsidized.
Mass transit isn't viable in low density areas which is the vast majority of the US.
Last edited by Esacni; 07-24-2022 at 01:37 PM..
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