Quote:
Originally Posted by princeadam
Don't forget we got screwed over by Chris Christie. We could have had at least PATH service inside Grand Central if we did not interfere with the ARC project.
Another short-term plan is to extend the 7 from Hudson Yards to Penn Station or the S train from Porth Authority to Penn Station. At least that would allow better crosstown traffic.
And yes, extending trains between Grand Central and Penn Station just so they terminate is retarded. It's possible some trains may need to terminate, but most should pick up additional passengers and continue onto the next destination. That in essence is what real through running is all about.
|
Yea, we did. Funding was lined up on the federal and state levels which is unfortunately a huge rarity. Prices were high, but not nearly the prices quoted out today.
The problem with extending the 7 train is that the 7 is already at capacity in terms of number of trains it can run, so if you extend the 7 out to New Jersey, you need to create a split of trains coming in from eastwards after about 10th Avenue (the station that was never built) going into Hudson Yards versus over to New Jersey which means that the tunnel would ultimately be under-utilized in the sense of number of trains crossing the river. The way out of that would be to create a wye where some both trains coming in eastward from the east side of Manhattan and Queens and some coming in westward from New Jersey would go into Hudson Yards and some would continue on, but it's not really ideal.
Yea, through-running should be the target because it dramatically ups the utility value of existing infrastructure and simplifies the operation of trains. This is something just about every other country and their major cities have figured out except for a whole bunch of US cities. The crazy thing is that we have so much existing infrastructure that we supposedly have a great head start on this. Aside from through-running in Penn Station underneath 33rd street in Manhattan and under the river from both sides and from what LIRR should have done when running to Grand Central, there are several other major through-running opportunities that were missed. One of the biggest was when PATH-WTC had to be shut down and the entire place was a mess. PATH and IRT trains are for the most part compatible with each others and there was the idea of running the 6 train a small distance to connect with a future rebuilt PATH-WTC station so that the 6 train and PATH trains going through WTC had combined operations meaning the whole east side of Manhattan and up through the Bronx had a one-seat ride to New Jersey and would have also meant building a direct PATH extension into EWR would have made a lot of sense. MTA was open to the idea, but Port Authority killed further exploration of the idea outright. Instead, PATH-WTC terminates into a giant mall people walk through to transfer. It's madness. It's also not unique to New York City as this is something you see in a *lot* of US passenger rail operations.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
