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Currently, a friend and I are organizing a farming coalition is Rockaway, Queens. We are attempting to be self sufficient at least with our fruits and vegetables. its a start, but I think that as things get more messed up people will be forced to move in that direction.
That is an excellent idea. That may just keep you alive if the twit really hits the fan.
I just found out my friend in NYC lost his job recently. And he just moved out there from Texas six months ago. He worked at a small engineering firm out of Manhattan. It's really sad how the economy has turned for the worst. He may have to move back to Texas to get a job, but he really likes New York. Unemployment will probably hit near the %10 range before all this is over. It'll be far higher in places like Michigan and Ohio. Let's hope for the best.
i said this last year and i will say it again. NYC is going to see a population reduction. A lot of these people who moved else where will have to leave. The economy was based on faux finance. it cant support all the people presently there. Its going to be a tuff ride.
i said this last year and i will say it again. NYC is going to see a population reduction. A lot of these people who moved else where will have to leave. The economy was based on faux finance. it cant support all the people presently there. Its going to be a tuff ride.
Thats one good thing about the economy crash, all these transplants can go back to where they came from.
Thats one good thing about the economy crash, all these transplants can go back to where they came from.
lol Well I can't bash transplants to much. I am a New Yorker living in Florida. Would move back if I could but damn they are stingy with the jobs in NYC right about now.
I think a lot of people are mistaking this thing we are going through for some "normal" down turn. first of all, bubbles don't "normally" come every 10 years. Used to be every generation or so it would happen. Then 1971 came and we went all out with the fiat monetary system and now we are boom and bust every 7 to 10 yrs. The fundamentals are out of whack and have been so for a while now. America is transforming and its going to be a long, hard, and scary ride.
Anyone thinking crime wont pick up or that it wont be like the 70s in NYC is delusional or didn't grow up in NYC or they were to young to remember the 80s/90s. I say this because, I know what sort of people are waiting behind the scenes. If they can't eat legitamtely they are going to "get it" anyway they can. Even honest people who never did crime in their life will be pushed to doing things they would not noramlly have done. Just study the Weimer republic of Germany. When they inflated the currency and the mark was worth nothing, people lost their minds. Wives prostitutde themselves, thift and all other sorts of things took place. People are always going to do what they feel they need to do in order to survive, thats just a fact of life. The only thing I can see lessening the affects of whats coming is if Obama passes social programs that help others eek by.
I want to see how people who are crying about "socialism" in another four yrs. They will thank God almighty for socialistic programs. I hope I am wrong, I hope things right themselves quickly but I don't think so.
U think so? I know obama favors a strong dollar, and hyperinflation is the result of bad monetary policy. Our current monetary policy may not be sound, but I have more faith in the new administration's ability to not recklessly print too many dollars.
I think if worse comes to worst, our dollar will have buying power for domestic commodities, but perhaps much less for foreign commodities. This will be real bad when oil passes 200 a barrel, because that single commodity input will skyrocket the cost of food, transportation, and many good produced and shipped with the energy of oil.
Fortunately here in New York, the market response will make organic farming much more viable, as organic yields, which require very little fossil fuels, produce almost as much food as non-organic yields, and far better food. Our water supply is taken care of. And our transportation runs on electricity, powered by domestic resources. So I think in the long run, we'll be ok.
Then 1971 came and we went all out with the fiat monetary system and now we are boom and bust every 7 to 10 yrs. The fundamentals are out of whack and have been so for a while now. America is transforming and its going to be a long, hard, and scary ride.
Just as a matter of curiosity, Wild Style, do you believe that it is feasible and/or desirable to return to an International Gold Standard? That too has been known to have had drawbacks. My question is more for gaining an insight into thoughts on the matter rather than a criticism of either the fiat or gold standard systems.
Things are out of hand in my neighborhood. This past weekend, there were numerous robberies, stabbings and assaults. You literally cannot walk down certain blocks here, many people no longer do, due to fear. It seems all the cops from the 46th and 52nd precinct where situated here. They probably saw a pattern of crime, and stepped in immediately. But I myself have noticed a tension here, and an obvious increase in criminal activity accompanied by a decrease in quality of life. The signs are all here. I have also seen more graffiti and vagrants. If the economy continues this way, it would be felt hardest in the Bronx. The borough with the highest murder, robbery, assaults, rapes, burglaries and larceny rates aswell as the highest poverty rate, will soon be unbearable to even step foot in.
Just as a matter of curiosity, Wild Style, do you believe that it is feasible and/or desirable to return to an International Gold Standard? That too has been known to have had drawbacks. My question is more for gaining an insight into thoughts on the matter rather than a criticism of either the fiat or gold standard systems.
i am actually researching this right now. Reading books and things from researchers to come to a sound conclusion. Right now I lean toward a multi metal system. Maybe gold, silver and platinum? Fiat to me is absolutely crazy though. Creating money from debt and borrowing from yourself to print money is nutso.
Good man. Ancestors did this years back in now unfarmable areas of the city but it was a normal way of life. it goes to show you that though they didnt have the "technological advancements" that we call innovation, they were self sufficient and perhaps much more inspired and creative than anyone in this generation. And you better believe they always ate well and had better priorities than this plastic credit card debt society of 2008.
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Well I think we just opened up a can of worms, but anyway,,,
Right now we need more social services to help people in dire need like the times of the Great Depression. More Government doesn't need to mean more dependency on the global economy although I know that they are very inter-related.
More of the right government that works to unite together in the improvement of the quality of life for its people is what we need and hope we get.
But the independent movement will happen slowly,
Currently, a friend and I are organizing a farming coalition is Rockaway, Queens. We are attempting to be self sufficient at least with our fruits and vegetables. its a start, but I think that as things get more messed up people will be forced to move in that direction.
No more Fed. They play with the nation's money supply like it is a game and they are not out to better the life of the common man. Big Ben is an idiot and so is Paulson over in the treasury. There is a reason why Ron Paul and Ralph Nader can be interviewed together and agree on the same main issues (Fed dominance, corporations' dominance) facing this country even though they have two completely different value systems. Although the country perceives these two as comopletely insane, they have a better grasp on how to fix America's real problems than Barack's whole cabinet.
The fed sucks and we should go back to gold standard. We need to curb corporate power too while we are at it we are a corporate fascist state and our government is dominated by corporate alumni. Bring back the old days of small business where the American dream is tangible for everyone whether you want to be a butcher or an executive. Dont be fooled by exterior cars, houses, etc. Despite the crime, less wealth, etc, our ancestors lived much better and more fulfilling lives than we are living now. The American experience for most, including our government officials who make these decisions for the masses, is now is an empty money/power/fame seeking life always where individuals are always looking for the next achievement and are never satisfied.
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i am actually researching this right now. Reading books and things from researchers to come to a sound conclusion. Right now I lean toward a multi metal system. Maybe gold, silver and platinum? Fiat to me is absolutely crazy though. Creating money from debt and borrowing from yourself to print money is nutso.
Good man. Ancestors did this years back in now unfarmable areas of the city but it was a normal way of life. it goes to show you that though they didnt have the "technological advancements" that we call innovation, they were self sufficient and perhaps much more inspired and creative than anyone in this generation. And you better believe they always ate well and had better priorities than this plastic credit card debt society of 2008.
No more Fed. They play with the nation's money supply like it is a game and they are not out to better the life of the common man. Big Ben is an idiot and so is Paulson over in the treasury. There is a reason why Ron Paul and Ralph Nader can be interviewed together and agree on the same main issues (Fed dominance, corporations' dominance) facing this country even though they have two completely different value systems. Although the country perceives these two as comopletely insane, they have a better grasp on how to fix America's real problems than Barack's whole cabinet.
The fed sucks and we should go back to gold standard. We need to curb corporate power too while we are at it we are a corporate fascist state and our government is dominated by corporate alumni. Bring back the old days of small business where the American dream is tangible for everyone whether you want to be a butcher or an executive. Dont be fooled by exterior cars, houses, etc. Despite the crime, less wealth, etc, our ancestors lived much better and more fulfilling lives than we are living now. The American experience for most, including our government officials who make these decisions for the masses, is now is an empty money/power/fame seeking life always where individuals are always looking for the next achievement and are never satisfied.
Only way we will get rid of the fed is through a uprising. Other wise those parasites are here to stay.
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