New York City area: Secede from New York State? (Buffalo: tax, legal)

[Futcha]

I'm sick and tired of hearing about young people fleeing New York State, upstate New York being a rust belt hole, New York State having no money, etc. None of this applies to the New York City Metropolitan Area, and yet they drag us down with the rest of the state. I think it's time for New York City, Long Island, Westchester County, Dutchess County, Rockland County, and Orange County to secede. We can form our own state and we'd probably be better off. What do you think? Is Upstate New York (Western NY) dragging us down and offsetting the statewide statistics and making our area look bad?

[Otis_Nevins]

Where does New York City's water come from?

[SilkCity0416]

touche. Though I see what he means, I personally think that NYC will form be it's own state one day. Maybe the whole BosWash Magalopolis will form it's own state/nation one day.

[Moderate Guy]

Originally Posted by FutureCop

I'm sick and tired of hearing about young people fleeing New York State, upstate New York being a rust belt hole, New York State having no money, etc. None of this applies to the New York City Metropolitan Area, and yet they drag us down with the rest of the state. I think it's time for New York City, Long Island, Westchester County, Dutchess County, Rockland County, and Orange County to secede. We can form our own state and we'd probably be better off. What do you think? Is Upstate New York (Western NY) dragging us down and offsetting the statewide statistics and making our area look bad?

don't want to accuse you of plagiarism or of being a copycat revolutionary, but didn't Staten Island make the same argument a while back when it wanted out of NYC?

[bmwguydc]

And, I am not comfortable excluding Putnam. I mean the state of New New York or North New York could have a rebel alliance to have incursions into both Dutchess and Westchester, sewing the seeds of revolution, making it hip to be in New New York or North New York. Not to mention they'd just need to make it a corporate tax haven to drain businesses from New York and enact a $20 each way toll in/out of the county from Dutchess and Westchester in/out of Putnam.

[Moderate Guy]

What color uniform will we NYC rebels wear?

[bmwguydc]

I would expect that colors would have to be discussed during the secession process, and of course an ensuing court case. Which group has title to which color? Who has title to landmarks, etc.? And, then in a coup, New Jersey could come in and begin to take advantage of a weakened New York, worried about its own affairs, and lay claim to islands that they say are theirs, creating yet another front of legal wrangling for clear title.

And, then, Long Islanders, fed up with the powers that be in NYC could then vote to secede from the new boundaries of New York, establishing another capital at Middle Island, of course laying claim to Brooklyn and Queens as being part of the same land mass.

Seriously, though, the varied regions of NYS are more interdependent than independent and it might be more worthwhile to work towards reforms in Albany than set up parallel governmental structures to do the same work.

[Moderate Guy]

Originally Posted by bmwguydc

I would expect that colors would have to be discussed during the secession process, and of course an ensuing court case. Which group has title to which color? Who has title to landmarks, etc.? And, then in a coup, New Jersey could come in and begin to take advantage of a weakened New York, worried about its own affairs, and lay claim to islands that they say are theirs, creating yet another front of legal wrangling for clear title.

And, then, Long Islanders, fed up with the powers that be in NYC could then vote to secede from the new boundaries of New York, establishing another capital at Middle Island, of course laying claim to Brooklyn and Queens as being part of the same land mass.

Seriously, though, the varied regions of NYS are more interdependent than independent and it might be more worthwhile to work towards reforms in Albany than set up parallel governmental structures to do the same work.

absolutely.

[Moderate Guy]

And, then in a coup, New Jersey could come in and begin to take advantage of a weakened New York, worried about its own affairs, and lay claim to islands that they say are theirs

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well that would solve the dilemma of what to do with Staten Island.

Just kidding, Rubies, please, hope you can take a laugh, if you read this.

[Futcha]

New York would be strengthened without Buffalo and Rochester. It's Buffalo and Rochester who'd be weakened. They're already weak. I don't see how our area would have a problem. We'd be larger than Luxemberg in Europe, which is a COUNTRY. Plus, this is the most powerful city in the world. I doubt the government would mess with us, that is, if they care abou the economy.