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HOWEVER, even beyond the money, you need to finish high school, FIRST!!! Read the published statistics, and they'll tell you that the graduation rate, in the city schools, is dismal. If you can't get past 10th-11th grade, you certainly aren't going to become a teacher...…..
My understanding is that even those that do "graduate" from high school spend their first year in college learning what they already should know as a HS grad.
Apparently, if the teachers have this kind of dismissive attitude towards the students' parents and the adults in the students' lives, they are actively a part of the problem because they are calling the parents garbage, and by extension the students.
I´m a licensed teacher, btw.
Dealing with minority students, you´re dealing with people who come from families who were historically denied education and employment. In fact, one could deny one employment LEGALLY on the basis of race until the 60s or 70s, and this has the ability to affect families for generations. A teacher who cannot acknowledge that has no business teaching.
There are other factors that can affect student performance. Malnutrition at home would lower a students IQ. A teacher who suspects neglect or abuse by law has to report the students' parents to ACS.
Of course, back to politics and socioeconomics, you know, the war on drugs? Where the US decided to lock up lots of poor people (Especially minorities) for drugs, never mind lots of well off white people use drugs? What happens to the children of these people with the parents locked up in prison? Of course, with NO parents the children don´t do well in school. Ending mass incarceration would definitely help a number of students.
Oh,and the US has a declining life expectancy compared to other Western nations due to the unaffordability of healthcare and increased suicide.
Why are you drawing a conclusion that any teacher is "dismissive" towards a students parents/adult influences? The poster is pointing out the obvious that the adult guardians have the most face time and are the primary influence on a child, as a licensed teacher you should know that. So are we know to eliminate all teachers who won't accept the victim viewpoint as you present it?
The cycle of history does break and you can't keep claiming past injustices as the root cause of failure. I work for a school division and one of our High Schools has a middle/upper middle class demographic feed, it would be safe to say that the average student has at least 1 college educated parent in their life. With all that said for you to say the "minority" student who does poorly is due to historic injustices is bull. The students background is no different than their classmates and they have not been deprived they are either lazy or they are not being held to task by their parent(s).
I do agree that hunger, instability, and the need to survive are all negative factors on a child succeeding but that applies to all children regardless of their ethnic origins. My dad came from poor, so poor you would heat a brick on the stove, wrap it in a towel and take it to bed with you and your cousins poor. The difference is that getting an education was important and above all else that was pushed. Too many people today are adults with legal guardians rather than parents.
To push back a little on that last comment, with respect, there are still students that come out of urban schools or environments(people seem to forget that many city kids may go to charter or private schools) and even within certain suburban school districts, where you have a pool of "minority" students to choose from. for instance, I know someone right now that is working as a teachers aide in the Syracuse City SD that they are sending back to school, so he can be a teaching candidate. He actually is a graduate of a Syracuse City HS(Nottingham). There are programs out there that people may not be privy to, as they may be offered or told to select people.
Also, you have to consider looking at the college/university level. For instance, have school districts considered looking for candidates at these colleges within the state?
Among others...This isn't even including some other state or any of the private colleges/universities within the state, let alone HBCU's or other diverse campuses in the Northeast. So, these are some potential institutions that school districts could recruit from, if they really want a culturally diverse teaching staff.
To bring it back to the specific topic, I think just knowing where to look for said teachers is key and this is why I'm attaching the post above, as these institutions just within the state have a good and diverse supply of students to choose from. So, if the search is expanded to include the institutions referred to at the end of that post, there should be an increase of diversity among the teaching ranks within NY State public schools. Particularly for districts where the student enrollment is quite diverse itself, whether if the district is urban, suburban or even small town/rural.
The world has turned into a global village and diversity and inclusion is common now. it is time to provide equal opportunities to everyone without bias.
The world has turned into a global village and diversity and inclusion is common now. it is time to provide equal opportunities to everyone without bias.
You would have to talk to the teachers union about that.
Charter and private schools would be a good place to apply.
Why are you drawing a conclusion that any teacher is "dismissive" towards a students parents/adult influences? The poster is pointing out the obvious that the adult guardians have the most face time and are the primary influence on a child, as a licensed teacher you should know that. So are we know to eliminate all teachers who won't accept the victim viewpoint as you present it?
The cycle of history does break and you can't keep claiming past injustices as the root cause of failure. I work for a school division and one of our High Schools has a middle/upper middle class demographic feed, it would be safe to say that the average student has at least 1 college educated parent in their life. With all that said for you to say the "minority" student who does poorly is due to historic injustices is bull. The students background is no different than their classmates and they have not been deprived they are either lazy or they are not being held to task by their parent(s).
I do agree that hunger, instability, and the need to survive are all negative factors on a child succeeding but that applies to all children regardless of their ethnic origins. My dad came from poor, so poor you would heat a brick on the stove, wrap it in a towel and take it to bed with you and your cousins poor. The difference is that getting an education was important and above all else that was pushed. Too many people today are adults with legal guardians rather than parents.
I graduated from Teachers, College Columbia with my master's in education. I used an inheritance from a dead relative to pay for grad school. Education costs money and is not free, and yes people from poor families are not anywhere near as likely to be able to afford ANY post-high school education unless they have parents who have the financial resources to pay for their education.
As someone who works in EDUCATION, and as someone who isn´t stuck in 50 idealized version of education, I know the people who work in education don´t do so for free. I know there are plenty of other issues that teachers deal with in the classroom and that not all parents have the same resources to help their children or the same capability due to language or education.
The situations I´ve used to move ahead were rather extreme and I was pretty lucky. Generally, FEW poor people will get anywhere near Columbia. Most likely they will go to a state school. And it´s extremely difficult due to the current cost of living to work one´s way through college. I didn´t have to do that, thank god, so it was easy studying.
It´s not bull**** what I said. Racists just hate addressing systematic issues and prefer education to screw over the majority of students of any race. Yes, just have a system that says ********* to post students, while allowing one or two "good" students to advance.
And that is something any teacher or educator should fight to tear down.
My understanding is that even those that do "graduate" from high school spend their first year in college learning what they already should know as a HS grad.
First year, or in many case first two years, and that's not a urban vs. suburban vs. rural deal. My understanding from having read articles on the subject is many students simply are not prepared for a 4-5 year baccalaureate track coming out of HS, it's been a problem for some years.
Far as school classrooms and the color of skin/ethnicity of the person at the head of the classroom is concerned, I've yet to see any empirical evidence supporting the notion that any of that makes a difference in education outcomes. If there's an issue with what ethnicity someone is at the front of the classroom, then why isn't there evidence that a black or whoever teacher's class performs less if the class is majority white, or "not black". It's all garbage science in my book, and some of the evidence on my end are first-hand experiences of teachers and former students in the RCSD.
Issues within students' lives, communities (or usually lack thereof), sundry societal dysfunctions, and screwed up school systems (RCSD is a poster child for that), all impact student outcomes.
First year, or in many case first two years, and that's not a urban vs. suburban vs. rural deal. My understanding from having read articles on the subject is many students simply are not prepared for a 4-5 year baccalaureate track coming out of HS, it's been a problem for some years.
Far as school classrooms and the color of skin/ethnicity of the person at the head of the classroom is concerned, I've yet to see any empirical evidence supporting the notion that any of that makes a difference in education outcomes. If there's an issue with what ethnicity someone is at the front of the classroom, then why isn't there evidence that a black or whoever teacher's class performs less if the class is majority white, or "not black". It's all garbage science in my book, and some of the evidence on my end are first-hand experiences of teachers and former students in the RCSD.
Issues within students' lives, communities (or usually lack thereof), sundry societal dysfunctions, and screwed up school systems (RCSD is a poster child for that), all impact student outcomes.
Likely because that is very rare to find, while the opposite is very easy to find and that is illustrated in the article. Let alone other aspects that have to be considered.
I graduated from Teachers, College Columbia with my master's in education. I used an inheritance from a dead relative to pay for grad school. Education costs money and is not free, and yes people from poor families are not anywhere near as likely to be able to afford ANY post-high school education unless they have parents who have the financial resources to pay for their education.
As someone who works in EDUCATION, and as someone who isn´t stuck in 50 idealized version of education, I know the people who work in education don´t do so for free. I know there are plenty of other issues that teachers deal with in the classroom and that not all parents have the same resources to help their children or the same capability due to language or education.
The situations I´ve used to move ahead were rather extreme and I was pretty lucky. Generally, FEW poor people will get anywhere near Columbia. Most likely they will go to a state school. And it´s extremely difficult due to the current cost of living to work one´s way through college. I didn´t have to do that, thank god, so it was easy studying.
It´s not bull**** what I said. Racists just hate addressing systematic issues and prefer education to screw over the majority of students of any race. Yes, just have a system that says ********* to post students, while allowing one or two "good" students to advance.
And that is something any teacher or educator should fight to tear down.
Glad you had a opportunity that many including the average suburban kid don't have. College has reached the level that a typical "middle class " family is too poor to pay for it and too rich to qualify for assistance.
Glad you work in Education (no need to shout) but I disagree with your view of the parents roll. Its great if your parent can help with the homework but regardless of education or language they can ensure that their child does the homework, goes to bed at a reasonable hour, gets up for school. Obviously work schedules will be a factor but there is always time to ask how the day went, what did you learn, any homework? And that makes a world of difference...
Racists are on both sides and playing that card demeans the students who are just as capable as any other but are given a lower bar because of "fill in the blank____". Poor is nothing new and neither is viewing people as less because of their race . I don't know what you are trying to say when referring to "post students" ?
Why do we care? The Utica School District and and all school districts are seeking the best teachers they can find. If the best teachers were 100% female, black and Muslim, so be it. And I think typical parents of a minority student would love to here their kids come home and say they love their teacher, who just happens to be white.
Sick of this issue.
As for not having the resources, my parents had parents who immigrated from eastern Europe speaking no English, and having no money. Somehow, it all worked out for my parents and their siblings. Education was paramount and teachers were respected.
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