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Good point. I think that plays a part in this, as some just go for other industries. I do believe some of this is due to the "teachers don't get paid much" talk that would go around at times, but looking at the pay of teachers in NY, that isn't true.
Again, I really think it comes down to where certain districts look to recruit teachers from and how/if they can get them into their district.
There's also the stigma of being "just a teacher", or "those who can't, teach".
So if you are a person of color superstar, no matter what the pay, it would feel like you are "settling" if you become a teacher.
Something that I just thought of in regards to this topic is that I'm wondering if coaches are included in the stats? I ask because for public high schools in NY State, you have to be a school staff member to coach, but I'm wondering if the state loosened criteria in order for someone to coach a school team, if that could play a part in addressing some of this topic? It may be viewed as a separate topic, as I've heard of that being a concern for some in urban districts that feel that there could be other qualified people to coach school teams and in turn, could bring in a more diverse range of staff within school districts.
What the hell difference should it make.
Teachers should be teaching. Presenting knowledge, information, facts, without any bias or personal agenda. If that were actually the case, it would not make a difference what the ratio of colors in the room are. But it’s not like that.
What the hell difference should it make.
Teachers should be teaching. Presenting knowledge, information, facts, without any bias or personal agenda. If that were actually the case, it would not make a difference what the ratio of colors in the room are. But it’s not like that.
Just thinking of the coach situation I was thinking of, perhaps helps in terms of staff that comes from the same or similar community can relate with their students in a way in which they know how they can motivate students. So say you have a teacher or coach that knows the parents of the kids they coach or teach. That in turn can be a motivating factor in a way that a teacher not from or doesn’t spend any time in said community outside of work.
Then, there’s this, “A 2017 study by the Institute of Labor Economics found that low-income Black students who have a Black teacher—man or woman—for at least one year in elementary school are less likely to drop out of high school and more likely to consider college.”
So, if such information is available, it would make sense to tap into that for schools where it makes sense. This isn’t to disagree with what you are saying, but just offers an idea as to why it can/does matter.
Just thinking of the coach situation I was thinking of, perhaps helps in terms of staff that comes from the same or similar community can relate with their students in a way in which they know how they can motivate students. So say you have a teacher or coach that knows the parents of the kids they coach or teach. That in turn can be a motivating factor in a way that a teacher not from or doesn’t spend any time in said community outside of work.
Then, there’s this, “A 2017 study by the Institute of Labor Economics found that low-income Black students who have a Black teacher—man or woman—for at least one year in elementary school are less likely to drop out of high school and more likely to consider college.”
So, if such information is available, it would make sense to tap into that for schools where it makes sense. This isn’t to disagree with what you are saying, but just offers an idea as to why it can/does matter.
Ain’t happening. The numbers aren’t there. What are they gonna do? Go into black neighborhoods and force people to become teachers? Force white teachers to live in the ghetto?
So much of this diversity stuff is just unrealistic pandering pipe dreams.
It’s just so frustrating.
Ain’t happening. The numbers aren’t there. What are they gonna do? Go into black neighborhoods and force people to become teachers? Force white teachers to live in the ghetto?
So much of this diversity stuff is just unrealistic pandering pipe dreams.
It’s just so frustrating.
You can spread the word about certification programs, recruit from local and other colleges/universities, make information known like that of the study mentioned above, etc. That wouldn’t have to force anyone to do anything and this is considering that many teachers have or will be retiring soon anyway. So, the work and effort to get teachers/staff in general would have to be done, regardless of the demographics.
I will say that efforts in the past have been done, such as when the Buffalo Public Schools were able to get teachers from Puerto Rico to the school district when people from the island were relocated to the city. So, it isn’t like it can’t be done if they can get teachers from that far away to come teach. That may mean in order to get say more black teachers, you’ll have to contact the Education schools of HBCU’s, those in the South or at SUNY/CUNY schools known for having higher percentages of black students such as Buffalo State(about 31%) or Medgar Evers in Brooklyn(actually a PBI). So, it may be a matter of tapping into the right resources as well.
As for the coach thing, I can actually think of a couple in the Syracuse area in districts in the Northern suburbs that work within the district they coach in as aides. So, even that has been done when the expertise of said coach is important enough for them to fill a teaching related position within the school. Both are black males, by the way.
So, if such information is available, it would make sense to tap into that for schools where it makes sense. This isn’t to disagree with what you are saying, but just offers an idea as to why it can/does matter.
Or.....
They could just cut to the chase and say, where are the black fathers? That is why black male teachers are needed. It says that in the article. How about we work on getting more fathers in the HOME, and stop trying to band aid what is really a basic cause and effect issue.
What the hell difference should it make.
Teachers should be teaching. Presenting knowledge, information, facts, without any bias or personal agenda. If that were actually the case, it would not make a difference what the ratio of colors in the room are. But it’s not like that.
You got that right. Hire good teachers, and if some are black, then that's great. The focus is not about teachers, though, it's about diversity. Who cares about the kids, when you have an agenda?
I wonder what happened to being colorblind, BTW? What a shame these kids are growing up, learning that they can only relate to someone of their own race. That's unrealistic, unfair, and will lead to more racial strife in the future.
They could just cut to the chase and say, where are the black fathers? That is why black male teachers are needed. It says that in the article. How about we work on getting more fathers in the HOME, and stop trying to band aid what is really a basic cause and effect issue.
Sure, even though that source doesn't mention that, but black teachers are needed beyond that, with some of the reasons given earlier. Especially since black male teachers only make up 2% of all teacher nationwide and would likely have higher expectations for kids in schools where they are needed.
Also, there is no such thing as being colorblind, as that would mean that you aren't seeing someone in their totality. Should it matter? No, but if we are being realistic, different people can bring a different experience that can be beneficial to those they can relate to, know or are familiar with within a community.
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