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With respect to the "right leaning media" comment, there isn't any. The prime player in the NY state media, is Gannett. They own the majority stake in newspapers, and they "lean left".....always have, always will.
With respect to the never ending complaint that there are too few "minority teachers" in NY, the answer is simple. Yes, as previously mentioned by one poster, you need a serious amount of money to complete your education, since NY requires you to have a Masters Degree.
HOWEVER, even beyond the money, you need to finish high school, FIRST!!! Read the published statistics, and they'll tell you that the graduation rate, in the city schools, is dismal. If you can't get past 10th-11th grade, you certainly aren't going to become a teacher...…..
With respect to the "right leaning media" comment, there isn't any. The prime player in the NY state media, is Gannett. They own the majority stake in newspapers, and they "lean left".....always have, always will.
With respect to the never ending complaint that there are too few "minority teachers" in NY, the answer is simple. Yes, as previously mentioned by one poster, you need a serious amount of money to complete your education, since NY requires you to have a Masters Degree.
HOWEVER, even beyond the money, you need to finish high school, FIRST!!! Read the published statistics, and they'll tell you that the graduation rate, in the city schools, is dismal. If you can't get past 10th-11th grade, you certainly aren't going to become a teacher...…..
To push back a little on that last comment, with respect, there are still students that come out of urban schools or environments(people seem to forget that many city kids may go to charter or private schools) and even within certain suburban school districts, where you have a pool of "minority" students to choose from. for instance, I know someone right now that is working as a teachers aide in the Syracuse City SD that they are sending back to school, so he can be a teaching candidate. He actually is a graduate of a Syracuse City HS(Nottingham). There are programs out there that people may not be privy to, as they may be offered or told to select people.
Also, you have to consider looking at the college/university level. For instance, have school districts considered looking for candidates at these colleges within the state?
Among others...This isn't even including some other state or any of the private colleges/universities within the state, let alone HBCU's or other diverse campuses in the Northeast. So, these are some potential institutions that school districts could recruit from, if they really want a culturally diverse teaching staff.
To push back a little on that last comment, with respect, there are still students that come out of urban schools or environments(people seem to forget that many city kids may go to charter or private schools) and even within certain suburban school districts, where you have a pool of "minority" students to choose from. for instance, I know someone right now that is working as a teachers aide in the Syracuse City SD that they are sending back to school, so he can be a teaching candidate. He actually is a graduate of a Syracuse City HS(Nottingham). There are programs out there that people may not be privy to, as they may be offered or told to select people.
When you take the big 3 city school districts upstate, there are approximately 16,000 blacks at each grade level. From that, are there not 100 students per year that could continue on to get teachers credentials? Don't they have guidance councilors?
When you take the big 3 city school districts upstate, there are approximately 16,000 blacks at each grade level. From that, are there not 100 students per year that could continue on to get teachers credentials? Don't they have guidance councilors?
Which is my point...To think that isn’t including those in those 3 cities that go the charter, private or in the case of Rochester, that participate in the Urban-Suburban program. This doesn’t even consider the more diverse suburban SD’s like Sweet Home, Cleveland Hill, Amherst Central, Williamsville, Lackawanna, East Irondequoit, Gates-Chili, Greece, Rush-Henrietta, Brighton, Onondaga Central, Jamesville-DeWitt, Liverpool and maybe a few others outside of those 3 cities. So, this just may come down to a matter of times for some of these districts.
So, retention is another thing to consider with this topic.
From what I saw and remember from the first article the Rochester and Poughkeepsie City SD’s are the only Upstate districts were non white teachers are above the national average. I believe Rochester was at 20.7% and Poughkeepsie at 22.7%. This also means that NYC at 40% is in fact pretty high, relatively speaking. Yonkers is second in the state at 27.7%.
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I may be wrong, but why is it necessary to keep same % of minority teachers as the students? I hear the same about the police force: monority areas need more officers with their background. So now we need segregation again? Why a good white teacher cannot teach black or latino students? Who can explain?
If a white teacher is teaching minority students, that teacher should care about the factors that in a few years substantially lower the number of minority students that will get degrees, much less graduate degrees.
It´s a pretty bad teacher that doesn´t care about what happens to their students as adults, or the community that the student comes from.
If a white teacher is teaching minority students, that teacher should care about the factors that in a few years substantially lower the number of minority students that will get degrees, much less graduate degrees.
It´s a pretty bad teacher that doesn´t care about what happens to their students as adults, or the community that the student comes from.
You seem to be losing focus on the fact that the teacher(s) is/are in the student's life for only 5-6 hours a day. At the end of the school day/school year, the students, in many cases, return to a dismal environment. The best teachers in the world cannot, generally, overcome that. Consider that in many cases, the student's own parents haven't overcome their environment, so how can you expect the children to do so, without a steady, positive influence?
You seem to be losing focus on the fact that the teacher(s) is/are in the student's life for only 5-6 hours a day. At the end of the school day/school year, the students, in many cases, return to a dismal environment. The best teachers in the world cannot, generally, overcome that. Consider that in many cases, the student's own parents haven't overcome their environment, so how can you expect the children to do so, without a steady, positive influence?
Apparently, if the teachers have this kind of dismissive attitude towards the students' parents and the adults in the students' lives, they are actively a part of the problem because they are calling the parents garbage, and by extension the students.
I´m a licensed teacher, btw.
Dealing with minority students, you´re dealing with people who come from families who were historically denied education and employment. In fact, one could deny one employment LEGALLY on the basis of race until the 60s or 70s, and this has the ability to affect families for generations. A teacher who cannot acknowledge that has no business teaching.
There are other factors that can affect student performance. Malnutrition at home would lower a students IQ. A teacher who suspects neglect or abuse by law has to report the students' parents to ACS.
Of course, back to politics and socioeconomics, you know, the war on drugs? Where the US decided to lock up lots of poor people (Especially minorities) for drugs, never mind lots of well off white people use drugs? What happens to the children of these people with the parents locked up in prison? Of course, with NO parents the children don´t do well in school. Ending mass incarceration would definitely help a number of students.
Oh,and the US has a declining life expectancy compared to other Western nations due to the unaffordability of healthcare and increased suicide.
Apparently, if the teachers have this kind of dismissive attitude towards the students' parents and the adults in the students' lives, they are actively a part of the problem because they are calling the parents garbage, and by extension the students.
I´m a licensed teacher, btw.
Dealing with minority students, you´re dealing with people who come from families who were historically denied education and employment. In fact, one could deny one employment LEGALLY on the basis of race until the 60s or 70s, and this has the ability to affect families for generations. A teacher who cannot acknowledge that has no business teaching.
There are other factors that can affect student performance. Malnutrition at home would lower a students IQ. A teacher who suspects neglect or abuse by law has to report the students' parents to ACS.
Of course, back to politics and socioeconomics, you know, the war on drugs? Where the US decided to lock up lots of poor people (Especially minorities) for drugs, never mind lots of well off white people use drugs? What happens to the children of these people with the parents locked up in prison? Of course, with NO parents the children don´t do well in school. Ending mass incarceration would definitely help a number of students.
Oh,and the US has a declining life expectancy compared to other Western nations due to the unaffordability of healthcare and increased suicide.
You seem to be losing focus on the fact that the teacher(s) is/are in the student's life for only 5-6 hours a day. At the end of the school day/school year, the students, in many cases, return to a dismal environment. The best teachers in the world cannot, generally, overcome that. Consider that in many cases, the student's own parents haven't overcome their environment, so how can you expect the children to do so, without a steady, positive influence?
I would love to hear from some of the experts on here of how to fix this.
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