Does snow stay longer than a few days in NOVA? (Richmond: versus, rated)

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by popalnet

Then take that up with the USDA.

The only thing I can think of is that DC has a greater number of cold days vs. Tucson----------but; overall, Tucson winters are much milder.

Read that a typical January high of 64F vs. DC's 41F.

I have lived in both places so I would know.

[d701]

Snow? Not much. The snow that we do get melts during the day then freezes at night which causes problems first thing in the morning. Schools may have 2 hour delay but very few snow days. Western VA counties will have more snow days due to rual roads, hills, valleys and mountains.

Advise: When it does snow or we have ice STAY OFF THE ROADS, particularly the BeltWay!! This area is so transient many, many people have no clue how to drive in these conditions!!!

[d701]

Get a LIFE...

Originally Posted by popalnet

As you'll see, DC low temps are slightly milder for the most part than Richmond.

Per the national weather service:


January 2008 for Washington National Airport:
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1 2 3 4 5 6A 6B 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
AVG MX 2MIN
DY MAX MIN AVG DEP HDD CDD WTR SNW DPTH SPD SPD DIR MIN PSBL S-S WX SPD DR
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1 54 36 45 9 20 0 0.00 0.0 0 13.4 26 300 M M 4 36 300
2 38 25 32 -4 33 0 T T 0 18.4 32 330 M M 5 40 330
3 34 22 28 -8 37 0 0.00 0.0 0 10.8 22 330 M M 2 30 330
4 41 21 31 -4 34 0 0.00 0.0 0 5.9 14 170 M M 3 16 170
5 43 28 36 1 29 0 T 0.0 0 3.6 12 160 M M 8 13 160
6 55 38 47 12 18 0 0.20 0.0 0 2.9 12 170 M M 8 1 13 170
7 69 46 58 23 7 0 0.00 0.0 0 8.4 13 180 M M 8 15 190
8 73 48 61 26 4 0 0.00 0.0 0 11.2 25 200 M M 6 31 200
9 68 47 58 23 7 0 0.00 0.0 0 11.9 24 290 M M 7 33 190
10 52 40 46 11 19 0 0.18 0.0 0 3.8 13 110 M M 10 1 14 110
11 59 43 51 16 14 0 0.15 0.0 0 4.5 20 350 M M 8 128 25 350
12 54 42 48 13 17 0 0.00 0.0 0 6.9 14 330 M M 7 16 330
13 49 36 43 8 22 0 0.03 0.0 0 6.9 14 110 M M 7 17 100
14 47 35 41 6 24 0 T T 0 8.4 24 310 M M 8 8 29 280
15 40 30 35 1 30 0 T T 0 9.0 26 290 M M 4 32 290
16 44 32 38 4 27 0 0.00 0.0 0 7.6 20 320 M M 6 28 320
17 39 34 37 3 28 0 0.75 1.3 0 6.2 13 320 M M 10 124 16 340
18 49 33 41 7 24 0 T 0.0 1 6.6 12 200 M M 8 18 15 330
19 42 36 39 5 26 0 T T 0 6.9 12 180 M M 10 15 180
20 37 19 28 -6 37 0 0.00 0.0 0 15.3 26 320 M M 3 35 330
21 32 18 25 -10 40 0 0.00 0.0 0 7.3 14 190 M M 1 18 330
22 42 26 34 -1 31 0 T 0.0 0 11.1 18 200 M M 9 22 210
23 48 30 39 4 26 0 0.00 0.0 0 9.2 28 330 M M 5 32 330
24 43 28 36 1 29 0 0.00 0.0 0 9.8 28 330 M M 6 33 320
25 36 22 29 -6 36 0 0.00 0.0 0 9.5 24 340 M M 2 30 340
26 40 29 35 0 30 0 0.00 0.0 0 5.1 12 90 M M 9 15 90
27 45 30 38 3 27 0 0.00 0.0 0 8.3 21 330 M M 6 25 330
28 47 33 40 5 25 0 0.00 0.0 0 7.1 15 340 M M 6 20 310
29 54 33 44 9 21 0 0.05 0.0 0 4.1 13 190 M M 9 20 190
30 56 36 46 11 19 0 0.01 0.0 0 15.4 30 300 M M 4 39 300
31 45 28 37 2 28 0 0.00 0.0 0 7.7 17 320 M M 4 22 320
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SM 1475 1004 769 0 1.37 1.3 263.2 M 193
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AV 47.6 32.4 8.5 FASTST PSBL % 6 MAX(MPH)
MISC ----> # 32 330 # 40 330
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January 2008 for Richmond, VA:
TEMPERATURE IN F: :PCPN: SNOW: WIND :SUNSHINE: SKY :PK WND
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1 2 3 4 5 6A 6B 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
AVG MX 2MIN
DY MAX MIN AVG DEP HDD CDD WTR SNW DPTH SPD SPD DIR MIN PSBL S-S WX SPD DR
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1 55 35 45 8 20 0 0.00 0.0 0 11.7 25 320 M M 1 32 320
2 37 27 32 -5 33 0 T T 0 16.1 29 350 M M 4 37 350
3 34 18 26 -11 39 0 0.00 0.0 0 9.1 25 360 M M 1 32 360
4 45 16 31 -6 34 0 0.00 0.0 0 7.4 18 250 M M 1 22 220
5 51 26 39 2 26 0 0.00 0.0 0 8.3 14 250 M M 7 17 240
6 66 39 53 16 12 0 T 0.0 0 7.9 16 250 M M 7 18 250
7 74 43 59 22 6 0 0.00 0.0 0 8.1 14 230 M M 6 16 230
8 71 48 60 24 5 0 0.00 0.0 0 10.5 26 230 M M 7 1 31 230
9 73 42 58 22 7 0 0.00 0.0 0 11.4 25 280 M M 7 30 240
10 54 39 47 11 18 0 0.04 0.0 0 4.6 12 120 M M 8 1 15 110
11 71 47 59 23 6 0 0.03 0.0 0 11.4 32 240 M M 9 1 44 240
12 55 39 47 11 18 0 0.00 0.0 0 5.9 12 20 M M 7 15 20
13 47 32 40 4 25 0 0.06 0.0 0 5.8 12 20 M M 7 18 15 360
14 49 34 42 6 23 0 0.00 0.0 0 8.6 18 300 M M 5 128 26 290
15 41 23 32 -4 33 0 0.00 0.0 0 9.7 31 310 M M 2 40 330
16 44 32 38 2 27 0 0.00 0.0 0 5.1 17 10 M M 6 M M
17 37 32 35 -1 30 0 0.60 T 0 6.9 15 340 M M 10 14 18 340
18 53 34 44 8 21 0 0.00 0.0 0 7.9 15 260 M M 8 1 20 280
19 44 32 38 2 27 0 0.11 0.8 1 4.4 12 80 M M 10 18 15 70
20 34 15 25 -11 40 0 T T 1 10.5 22 330 M M 4 1 29 320
21 34 12 23 -13 42 0 0.00 0.0 T 2.8 8 150 M M 0 8 10 150
22 45 21 33 -3 32 0 0.01 T 0 8.1 16 220 M M 9 4 20 240
23 49 29 39 3 26 0 0.00 0.0 0 3.3 10 50 M M 6 1 16 90
24 40 27 34 -2 31 0 0.00 0.0 0 7.8 23 10 M M 8 1 30 360
25 37 20 29 -7 36 0 0.00 0.0 0 7.1 23 10 M M 1 32 360
26 45 25 35 -1 30 0 0.00 0.0 0 2.7 10 230 M M 9 14 230
27 45 31 38 1 27 0 0.00 0.0 0 6.6 15 20 M M 9 20 340
28 50 30 40 3 25 0 0.00 0.0 0 5.5 16 330 M M 4 20 320
29 61 33 47 10 18 0 0.01 0.0 0 9.6 22 210 M M 9 28 220
30 57 32 45 8 20 0 0.10 0.0 0 12.0 29 310 M M 4 1 38 300
31 47 26 37 0 28 0 0.00 0.0 0 6.9 15 50 M M 4 18 50
================================================== ==============================
SM 1545 939 765 0 0.96 0.8 243.7 M 180
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AV 49.8 30.3 7.9 FASTST PSBL % 6 MAX(MPH)
MISC ----> # 32 240 # 44 240
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[normie]

Originally Posted by d701

Advise: When it does snow or we have ice STAY OFF THE ROADS, particularly the BeltWay!! This area is so transient many, many people have no clue how to drive in these conditions!!!

Very good advice. The roads aren't so bad, but some of the drivers are. Be really careful if the schools declare a snow day. In some areas, you'll see kids sliding down sloping driveways and into the street. The parents can't get time off from work to supervise, and it's harder to see them when it's snowing. Drive slowly.

I had a close call driving down a side street years ago when a little girl slid right in front of my car. Also people tend to let their dogs out to take care of business, instead of taking the dog for a walk. Dogs may gravitate to the plowed roads, so watch out for them, too.

[popalnet]

Originally Posted by stockdale.35

By your information, how do you gather DC as milder when RIC is almost 3 degrees warmer, that means it warms up faster than DC? And DC's record lows on average between Dec-Feb are 6 degrees lower than RIC. Furthermore, why does richmond have less snow perciptiation per year?

Last, whenever I drive down 95 in march everything is a bit more green than DC. I think with all this evidence I have supplied proves DC is NOT milder than Richmond.

I was talking about low temps and NOT average temps or high temps. That's what the USDA zone maps refer to. So yes, DC low temps are not as cold as Richmond for the most part. Yes, Richmond may have a higher maximum temp, but it gets colder for low temps in Richmond that DC.

Pull any data you can and you will see that for the most part DC low temps are not as cold as Richmond. AGAIN, I"M TALKING LOW TEMPS and not HIGH temps.

[popalnet]

Originally Posted by ArizonaBear

The only thing I can think of is that DC has a greater number of cold days vs. Tucson----------but; overall, Tucson winters are much milder.

Read that a typical January high of 64F vs. DC's 41F.

I have lived in both places so I would know.

I don't disagree with you on this at all. I know Tucson is way milder than DC. It's probably way milder than Myrtle Beach which is over 300 miles south of DC. I have no clue why it's listed in zone 8. I thought it was zone 9 at least.

[popalnet]

Originally Posted by d701

Get a LIFE...

I'm sure I have a much better life than you. At least I can write better than you. I've read all your posts on city-data and based on your posts it doesn't look like you received any kind of education. Oh, you could be in the second grade and that would explain it.

[blueva]

I think DC is Zone 7. Richmond starts Zone 8.

I still disagree that Palm trees can thrive in harsh cold climates. They would never live in New England.

We have Palm Tress in SE Virginia- that do pretty well and in Richmond. DC is pushin' it.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by popalnet

I don't disagree with you on this at all. I know Tucson is way milder than DC. It's probably way milder than Myrtle Beach which is over 300 miles south of DC. I have no clue why it's listed in zone 8. I thought it was zone 9 at least.

Good catch: Tucson is actually Zone 9...............Globe, Kingman, Sedona, etc. here in Arizona are Zone 8.

Now for ironic: Prescott has almost identical temps day by day to Wash DC with the exception of the winter highs being 8-9 degrees warmer.

Prescott

Wash DC

[popalnet]

Originally Posted by blueva

I think DC is Zone 7. Richmond starts Zone 8.

I still disagree that Palm trees can thrive in harsh cold climates. They would never live in New England.

We have Palm Tress in SE Virginia- that do pretty well and in Richmond. DC is pushin' it.

Okay everyone - I know DC is in zone 0 and Richmond is in zone 11. I know it's colder in DC during the winter than it is in Antarctica, and Richmond has similar weather to South Florida.

But according to this revised map DC and a small part of Nova is listed in zone 8 and Richmond, VA is listed in zone 7. I think this map is based on the last 15 years of recorded low temps. You can use the zoom tool in Adobe Acrobat to zoom in on area to see full details.

These people should be ashamed of themselves for putting DC in zone 8 and Richmond in zone 7. This is crazy because Richmond VA is tropical paradise with palm trees all over the place.

Here is the link to the map on the American Horticultrual Society:
http://www.ahs.org/pdfs/USDA_Map_3.03.pdf

Use the zoom tool to see details.