[StillwaterTownie]

Originally Posted by TheComputerGuy

While I'm not a big fan of cars up on blocks, it IS your right to do so on your property.

I live in the "Live Free Or Die" state (NH), and they seem to be forgetting that lately...
(Not that I have cars up on blocks, but I DO believe in your right to do what you like on your property...)

So, Stillwater still sticks up for the rights of individuals?
Just asking because I'm an NH guy looking to relocate to that general vicinity.
Didn't think that attitude would exist in a "college" area.
I'm told that as far as OK goes, that area is pretty liberal...
(Care to correct me?)

M.

The City of Stillwater will come after you even if you have poison ivy growing in your yard. They take pictures of where the poison ivy is growing in your yard and present you with the pictures and a notice that you gotta get rid of the plants. I wasn't the offending party, but know of someone who was. The person willingly eliminated the old car and poison ivy without a fuss. I suspect the fact that the poison ivy was growing fairly close to a sidewalk children use to walk to school was what helped cause the notice. So it's the right of what a property owner can have on his property vs how it may do harm to the people who pass on the public sidewalk that goes through the front yard.

Stillwater tried to pass a ordinance limiting the number of cars you could regularly park on your property but it didn't go through. I think college kids and their landlords put a stop to that.

Stillwater is liberal in the sense that it has more liberal activists than most any other Oklahoma town, but they don't seem to get much done. For instance, their failure to get the Stillwater City Commission to sign a letter, along with many other cities big and small, opposing the Patriot Act.

[StillwaterTownie]

Oklahoma is still a slow growing state. Compare it to another slow growing state--Minnesota. According to city-data that state from 2000 to 2006 grew by 247,622 people. For Oklahoma it was only 128,558. Minnesota also grew more than Oklahoma by a percentage basis. Can you feature that? More people want to flock to Minnesota and tough out its more bitter cold winters than in milder Oklahoma.

I think people want to move to another state in search of higher paying jobs more than anything else. Oklahoma, generally, is sadly lacking in that area while having 49 other states to compete with for jobs. However, I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of people who used to go to OSU or OU and are retiring, still feeling like rabid fans, are moving to Stillwater and Norman to be close to the games.

Prisons are no longer the top growth industry in Oklahoma. Instead, it's the casinos. They might to some extent, but I doubt casino jobs attract many out of staters, what with the casino industry active in other states, as well. At least the higher paying oil and gas industry is booming in Oklahoma and that surely works to some extent to keep people here and attract some out of staters.

Anyway, at the end of the 2010 we'll find out clearer if Oklahoma is growing and most of all if it's growing enough. In other words, from lack of enough population growth will the state lose yet another congressman like it did in 2000? If too many Mexicans flee the state from the result of stricter state immigration laws, it just might.

So the loss of yet another Oklahoma congressman and less representation at the Federal level in DC is what we really should be worried about and not about too many people coming in changing things.

Overall, I think Oklahoma will stay basically the same, yet better and more free. It's certainly more free as it is now from people recently becoming more open to culture change and not so uptight and against it. In other words, casinos and lotteries have become legal. Liquor stores can now open on election day. No movies and magazines have been seized for obscenity in a long time. And unlike in Iran, you can get a tattoo now.

Now if only we could be not so uptight as to let car dealers open on Sunday. Currently, state law forbids it. You can gamble and play the lottery every Sunday, but try buying a car.

[peggydavis]

Well, the people who work at car dealerships need a day off just like the rest of us. If the owners want to come in and run the place themselves, let them.

[mkfarnam]

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[Goodpasture]

Originally Posted by Synopsis

As much as I'm for individual rights, if you've got your lawn filled with cars on blocks and engine blocks hanging from trees I think you're also infringing on the rights of others that want a certain look to the neighborhood. Imagine buying a 250K house and someone moves in next door and starts doing that very thing (trashing the yard). I think I'd have something to say about that.

I think Montgomery Gentry has a video about that..........

[txcollegeboy]

My two cents on Indians in Oklahoma, I've never met so many blond haired blue eyed Indians in my life as I did growing up in Oklahoma.

[Mattie Jo]

Did anyone ever see the PBS (I think) movie about a young Indian girl that was taken away from her parents and put in the schools that Redbird mentioned? They claimed her parents died, but they didn't. I have been trying to find the name of it.

[Mattie Jo]

What is not fine by me; however, is to bring the "california tree-hugging" mentality with them. If someone comes from another state or geographic area to become an "okie", they need to accept the dead cars on blocks in my front yard when they get here

tree-hug·ger (trē'hŭg'ər)
n. Informal.

An environmentalist, especially one who supports the preservation of forested land and the restriction of logging.

By this definition I am a tree hugger. I want a clean Illinois River, clean drinking water, clean air. I want forests not to be cut down. I want to save the birds and and other little creatures. Doesn't everyone?

I would probably love the town of Stillwater.

[Mattie Jo]

The plays that they put on here in Tahlequah by three different groups are far more fun than Broadway, and sometimes they even serve a lunch. They are way cheaper too.

[Goodpasture]

Originally Posted by txcollegeboy

My two cents on Indians in Oklahoma, I've never met so many blond haired blue eyed Indians in my life as I did growing up in Oklahoma.

Thats ok, lots of white people are not really all that white either.