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The same as a drug addict?! My BIL is a lying, theiving, back stabbing, worthless drug addict; that has proven time and time again, he cares for the drugs more than his friends (all of them left him due to this "habit"), more than his family, more than a job, more than anything. He NEEDS jail time for his crimes. He has stolen and forged over 20K worth of checks from his elderly grandparents, stole 30K from his Mom off her cc's, stolen money from us, not to mention medication from everyone INCLUDING my DD's ADHD meds. He's not someone to molly-coddle; he's a CRIMINAL, and needs to do his time.
*SORRY, got off track on a very sticky situation around this household!
This is flat out ABUSE. And IMO child abuse is just as bad as rape and worse than murder. Removing a child from a highly abusive situation is NOT punishing them, it's HELPING them; how can you not see that?
How is it doing ANYONE any good to have a 4yr old at over 100lbs, or a 14yr old at 550+lbs?!
A quote from the CDC: "In the United States, the (CDC) defines child maltreatment as any act or series of acts of commission or omission by a parent or other caregiver that results in harm, potential for harm, or threat of harm to a child." How is morbid obesity NOT child abuse?
Wow! it appears I've opened a can of worms....sorry about your BIL...I also have a brother suffering from alcoholism...my actual words were "ALMOST like a drug addict or an alcoholic``...my family has and does take the necessary precautions to protect ourselves from his deceitful ways, so that we can't be used and taken advantage of...and become bitter because of it........as for removing these children from the only home they've known...THAT to me (in these situations) IS child abuse....you may feel it's not punishing them.... rather helping them....but I doubt ANY child would not experience some profound sense of anger, anguish,fear,and abject terror....how can you say that is in their best interest??As for what the very corrupt CDC has to say...I`m not interested AT ALL.....I also believe that if we are going to PUNISH these vulnerable children by creating huge up-heavel in their lives...we should start with the many obese adults.....and we all know that`s not right, and it`ll never happen.
These fat kids just were born unlucky in the parent lottery. Other kids have parents who are alcoholics, druge addicts, or parents who up and die on them. There are plenty of unfortunate scenarios, but we can't find enough good foster parents for the kids who need them now, let alone adding every kid who's parents aren't the Cleavers.
If they look like this, and the parent won't take action, then it should atleast be considered. The kids health is in serious danger, and if their was a parent out there letting their kids eat like, rubbing alcohol, or something, then they'd get their kids taken away, because that's harmful. Its the same concept, once the kid gets to the point in that picture.
Oh, and I don't mean to get all political, but I heard Sean Hannity say that if the Government wants to do something, then educate kids on nutrition...
...yeah, isn't that the thing you and the rest of your Conservative friends have been bitching about? You know...the whole "MICHELLES OBAMA IZ TRYIN TO TELL US WHAT WE CAN EAT" nonsense?
If I saw that kid in a restaurant I'm afraid I'd have a hard time resisting going over and squeezing those fat little arms.
At least no one will ever kidnap him for ransom. The cost of feeding him would cut too deep into the kidnapper's take.
Wow...although I agree that it is a huge problem, that's just one more of those, "Hand the reins over to the government". Do you REALLY think the government is doing a fabulous job "handling" things as it is? Why not just put those kids on some "government approved" diet drug instead? Appetite suppressants/fat blockers/carb blockers, etc., then when a crapload of those kids end up with heart/liver/kidney issues, the government (taxpayers) can foot the bill for their medical care and/or lifelong disability. Meanwhile, their families can come back on the goverment and collect THEIR retirement for the situation as well.
Yeah....that's a fabulous idea. Fine these parents and take their kids away. I mean, SOMEone's going to screw up their health, it might as well be the government, right. It would be a heck of a lot cheaper to send the entire family to "fat camp", to teach them how to eat. I'm sorry, it just makes me crazy when people get all high and mighty and start interfering in other people's lives. It's awful when kids (and adults) get that heavy, however, it's also their RIGHT to do so! My gosh, where do you draw the line!?
It would be better to enforce a diet and reeducation of parents but I'm sure that costs money. It is abuse of the child in most cases and should be treated as such.
It would be better to enforce a diet and reeducation of parents but I'm sure that costs money. It is abuse of the child in most cases and should be treated as such.
You also have to take into consideration the cost of "healthier" foods. If we're going to allow the governement to step in and dictate that parents need to feed their children healthier diets, then the cost of the healthier foods needs to be made more affordable. Carbohydrates, in the form of potatoes, rice, pasta, breads, are more affordable. Fattier meats....more affordable. The cost of lean cuts of meat, fresh fruits and fresh vegetables has become prohibitive.
Families who have both parents working have a tendency to purchase a lot of high fat, high calorie take out foods. Perhaps the government should cut their spending, so that these 2 person-working households can go down to 1 person working, so that one person can stay at home to prepare healthier meals. Perhaps some of these worthless politicians should instead be hired, at minimum wage, to not only police the households with obese children and/or work in large commercial kitchens in each town, so that they can deliver healthy meals to the single working parent households. I mean, since we're dreaming, why not dream big!?
You also have to take into consideration the cost of "healthier" foods. If we're going to allow the governement to step in and dictate that parents need to feed their children healthier diets, then the cost of the healthier foods needs to be made more affordable. Carbohydrates, in the form of potatoes, rice, pasta, breads, are more affordable. Fattier meats....more affordable. The cost of lean cuts of meat, fresh fruits and fresh vegetables has become prohibitive.
... not only the cost of the food but the availability of healthier food too. In the poorest neighborhoods, there often isn't a real grocery store, and often they don't have a car. their only real choice for food shopping is a convenience store. If they get food from a charity it is going to be canned or boxed. Unfortunately fruits and veggies aren't always readily available.
and look what happened when Michelle Obama started her campaign to educate people about eating right. It was blown way out of proportion and made to look like the big bad govt was trying to take over your kitchen but that's a different topic.
... not only the cost of the food but the availability of healthier food too. In the poorest neighborhoods, there often isn't a real grocery store, and often they don't have a car. their only real choice for food shopping is a convenience store. If they get food from a charity it is going to be canned or boxed. Unfortunately fruits and veggies aren't always readily available.
and look what happened when Michelle Obama started her campaign to educate people about eating right. It was blown way out of proportion and made to look like the big bad govt was trying to take over your kitchen but that's a different topic.
All excellent points, for sure! Something that I've noticed with so many people though, is they're quick to point a finger and think they have a quick fix to a problem, (everything's in black & white) because they lack the ability to see the many shades of gray in these issues!
They are blind to the roadblocks that a great number of these families face. Oh if were only as easy as saying, "You just need to eat healthier and get more exercise". Well yeah, for most people, that would certainly do the trick, IF it were that simple!
Hey, putting padlocks on cupboards and refrigerators would probably help some families, although that's kind of like abuse too, isn't it?
All excellent points, for sure! Something that I've noticed with so many people though, is they're quick to point a finger and think they have a quick fix to a problem, (everything's in black & white) because they lack the ability to see the many shades of gray in these issues!
They are blind to the roadblocks that a great number of these families face. Oh if were only as easy as saying, "You just need to eat healthier and get more exercise". Well yeah, for most people, that would certainly do the trick, IF it were that simple!
Hey, putting padlocks on cupboards and refrigerators would probably help some families, although that's kind of like abuse too, isn't it?
this is my issue with many posts on many threads in this forum! There are just too many variables for a one-size-fits-all answer for any parenting problem.
I strongly suggest the book Detoxify or Die by Sherry A. Rogers MD, ND - it's available from Amazon.
Mahrie.
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but that's a different topic.
Something that I've noticed with so many people though, is they're quick to point a finger and think they have a quick fix to a problem, (everything's in black & white) because they lack the ability to see the many shades of gray in these issues! 
