How's everyone doing amongst the Coronavirus shut down? (Philadelphia, Penn: salons, assess)

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by Pennsport

Look I hear you guys. No one likes postponing weddings, attending funerals remotely, being cooped up inside, but people, we have WAY bigger issues brewing than some inconveniences. Tens of millions of people are living week to week and soon will be out of "weeks." Tens of thousands of people are going to lose their income and lifelong dreams of operating their own businesses. I mean, I personally know three new restaurant owners (literally opened in late January/Feb) that are now on their last legs. Imagine saving your entire life to go into business for yourself only to declare bankruptcy three months later. Your life it basically ruined. Finally, think what the homeless numbers are going to look like after this. It's scary...

Last summer I was intensely worried that the ongoing trade war would ultimately cause a kind of black swan event. So l was already on edge. But this is WAY beyond anything I had even remotely imagined.

In any case most of us here aware of how, indescribably, bad this is.

Also people who were alive during the Great Depression are , mostly, gone now. My parent were in their late teens and early 20s in the 1930s. They're gone too. The people who went through that no longer exist.

I know a barber and hair stylist who have no livelihoods now.

I worry about the suicides that are inevitable. There has already been an uptick in the suicide prevention business.

[AJNEOA]

Originally Posted by kyb01

You're wrong. We have not flattened the curve significantly. And we still do not have enough testing. Without real treatments or a vaccine we are not "getting on" with life.

Even when things do free up somewhat, I will not stop wearing a mask, shake hands, go into places that attract more than, oh, 20 people. I could list out all kinds of things that I will not be doing going forward.

That's right. And people and businesses are not stupid. Our government officials are not trusted or really respected in many ways. People and businesses will do what they think is right despite what Trump or Cuomo or anyone else says. I had an executive meeting with my organization today and the direction from the top was that we will stay remote/locked down until the governor loosens up restrictions at the bare minimum. BUT, the decisions for our org will be made based on scientific/medical recommendations, an assessment of risk based on actual numbers, and even then, we will reopen business in a very conservative risk averse manner. The forecast looks to be working remotely through the end of May at a minimum (probably into June in reality), reopening conservatively in a layered approach through July/August, and a contingency plan for dispersing back to remote work at any time for extended periods of time.

And to your point kyb01, me and my family will stay conservative in our lifestyle indefinitely. Until a proven distributed vaccine is a reality, nothing can go back to "normal". No crowded restaurant outings, no sports games, none. Probably through the end of 2021, depending on how it goes.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by AJNEOA

That's right. And people and businesses are not stupid. Our government officials are not trusted or really respected in many ways. People and businesses will do what they think is right despite what Trump or Cuomo or anyone else says. I had an executive meeting with my organization today and the direction from the top was that we will stay remote/locked down until the governor loosens up restrictions at the bare minimum. BUT, the decisions for our org will be made based on scientific/medical recommendations, an assessment of risk based on actual numbers, and even then, we will reopen business in a very conservative risk averse manner. The forecast looks to be working remotely through the end of May at a minimum (probably into June in reality), reopening conservatively in a layered approach through July/August, and a contingency plan for dispersing back to remote work at any time for extended periods of time.

And to your point kyb01, me and my family will stay conservative in our lifestyle indefinitely. Until a proven distributed vaccine is a reality, nothing can go back to "normal". No crowded restaurant outings, no sports games, none. Probably through the end of 2021, depending on how it goes.

I think that even we less risk-averse types won't simply return to doing everything the way we used to do it once the restrictions are eased.

I will need to keep my distance from people whose infection status I don't know, and that will include friends who I haven't kept in touch with and thus don't know where they've been or what they've been doing, for instance.

No outings to crowded restaurants or bars for me either. And it's likely that when those establishments are allowed to reopen, there will be spacing requirements between tables and seats at tables.

Entertaining at home will be possible, but I'll need to keep the guest lists short and ask everyone to wash their hands when entering.

Things like that.

[mphilly]

I of course am going to follow any guidelines/restrictions from the government but the day we are allowed to go to a restaurant/bar/sporting event I will be there. I can’t handle the isolation for much longer.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by selhars

No one is asking me, but I'd keep $#!t closed until June 1st.

If people would cooperate -- which I don't think they would -- I'd say start a gradual, phased opening on May 18th, the week leading into Memorial Day weekend.

The plus would be that because that would lead into the holiday weekend (kick off to summer) -- it would give businesses the chance to open for that weekend.

The major downside I see is that I don't think people would keep social distancing like they should. I think that after being indoors for a couple of months -- way too many people would lose their minds, and just think, "Oh, great, Memorial Day weekend!" -- and flood into places, like nothing ever happened and that coronavirus is over.

And of course, that could be disastrous.
So I'd just stay closed until after the holiday. I know I'd feel more comfortable going our after that.
Another option would be opening up 2 weeks before then -- the week of May 11th.
That would give officials a chance to see IF people are still following the social distancing and mask orders -- well-enough before the holiday weekend....so they'd know if the holiday weekend could be trouble with virus spread.

Early on, I heard just a couple of reports that this virus will be an issue until well into -- and deep into -- at least 2021. But then reports stopped stressing that. Because of that, I think too many people just want to "get back outside" like this will be over by Labor Day.

Whatever. As for Philly I won't be doing any shopping there or going downtown any time soon. Whether Mayor Kenney opens things up or not. I'm not going to let other people, risk MY health.

The residual effects of the 1918 pandemic lasted until 1920.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by AJNEOA

And to your point kyb01, me and my family will stay conservative in our lifestyle indefinitely. Until a proven distributed vaccine is a reality, nothing can go back to "normal". No crowded restaurant outings, no sports games, none. Probably through the end of 2021, depending on how it goes.

When polio was a problem there were certain things people tried to avoid since there were seasonal outbreaks. At least in the short term we will have to learn how to do that again.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by MarketStEl

I think that even we less risk-averse types won't simply return to doing everything the way we used to do it once the restrictions are eased.

I will need to keep my distance from people whose infection status I don't know, and that will include friends who I haven't kept in touch with and thus don't know where they've been or what they've been doing, for instance.

No outings to crowded restaurants or bars for me either. And it's likely that when those establishments are allowed to reopen, there will be spacing requirements between tables and seats at tables.

Entertaining at home will be possible, but I'll need to keep the guest lists short and ask everyone to wash their hands when entering.

Things like that.

Not being a drinker means bars are meaningless to me. Wrt restaurants, I was more likely to go to one early so I was already missing patrons who eat later than I do.

Some of the social distancing stuff I was sort of doing anyhow. I'm only social under specific situations. It's not something I need so much.

And for the men here, men are dying of covid more than women and it seems to be consistent everywhere.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by mphilly

I of course am going to follow any guidelines/restrictions from the government but the day we are allowed to go to a restaurant/bar/sporting event I will be there. I can’t handle the isolation for much longer.

It has to be a complete nightmare for extroverts. For introverts it's easier. Not fun but easier.

[southbound_295]

Originally Posted by kyb01

The residual effects of the 1918 pandemic lasted until 1920.

I don't know if you remember this, but I heard, when we had the 1st real outbreak of swine flu, post 1918, that it was because most of the people who had lived through the 1918 epidemic had been immune to it, but were now gone.

[TownDweller]

Originally Posted by kyb01

The residual effects of the 1918 pandemic lasted until 1920.

And the second wave was much deadlier than the first wave. It arrived in autumn...