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Old 07-12-2013, 03:13 PM
 
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I don't know about that. I just read a fascinating story on CNN:
Hubble telescope spots azure blue planet where it rains glass - CNN.com

And I believe it. But I'm just taking their word for it. I can't travel into space to authenticate any of the reports I read about all the amazing things out in the Universe.
So you believe it actually rains glass or possibly rains glass? Notice what the science says about it.
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The planet, known as HD 189733b, is a gas giant with a daytime temperature of
2,000 degrees Fahrenheit where it possibly rains liquid glass sideways
amid 4,500 mph winds, NASA says.
You don't have to go there to look at the same data they're looking at. They haven't "gone there". They've used sophisticated instruments to collect data. That data is informing them it might rain glass. What's the data and what's the probability of it actually raining glass? That's the real question of how likely the proposition is true. Besides, raining glass is simply raining liquid silicates. This really doesn't seem that extraordinary given the gas giant is very hot, extremely windy and probably contains (based I'd imagine on the data) a great deal of silicates. These are prime conditions to have liquid silicates in the atmosphere as droplets.

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It doesn't seem irrational to me to believe in God because that is really the only way we humans have to deal with the problem of evil.
That's interesting. It's generally the problem of evil that causes most people to disbelieve in a god, especially the supposed omnibenevolent god of Christianity.

The problem of "evil" (bad things happen) is much easier to understand when you accept with live in, for the most part, an uncaring natural reality without all-loving gods looking over our shoulders.

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Old 07-12-2013, 03:28 PM
 
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Most religion IS bad because people who ARE BAD (or who ACT BADLY) desire to have power over other human beings and they have used religion to exploit people's fear of the unknown.
I would say any religion based upon faith (believing in things without evidence) is ripe for exploitation. Faith makes people gullible sheep, willing to go alone with just about anything. Because most religion (and god belief) is based upon the primary tenet of faith, this is the fundamental reason religion is bad. This flaw is what allows for exploitation.

This is why believing in things without evidence is irrational and also often dangerous, especially when those things are generally what people build their moral system upon.
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Old 07-14-2013, 12:10 AM
 
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It's rational to believe that God could exist and I think that is what they call "faith." I think there is nothing wrong with faith, but then some could say that faith is just believing in a fantasy. However, at the end of the day, people have a right to have a faith and religion seems to exist to make people feel good about life and guide them.
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Old 07-14-2013, 02:00 PM
 
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It's rational to believe that God could exist and I think that is what they call "faith."
I'll rewrite this a bit...

It's rational to believe a god could exist given a solid definition of what said "god" is, but it's not rational to believe a god does exist without reasonable evidence to support it.

Believing something exists without proof/evidence is precisely where most god beliefs find themselves.
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Old 07-14-2013, 05:04 PM
 
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The issue is, I think, that when it really comes down to it, people don't like to believe in the possibility, they like to believe in one thing or another, or believe one thing more than another. That's the only way we can make decisions right? So I think, most agnostic people will say they believe in the possibility, but if they were really pressed to make a decision, they would have to go with what they believed more, one way or the other. So the question is, is it rational to make a choice in your beliefs, when you have no evidence to support either side.
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Old 07-16-2013, 07:14 PM
 
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OP, who cares if it's rational or not??
Why debate this with random strangers on the internet?
I mean if you have faith, it's a wonderful thing.
If you know what & who your faith is about, you shouldn't need validation on a forum.

Btw, I have faith & it's powerful....
check out Hebrews 11:1
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Old 07-16-2013, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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OP, who cares if it's rational or not??
Why debate this with random strangers on the internet?
I mean if you have faith, it's a wonderful thing.
If you know what & who your faith is about, you shouldn't need validation on a forum.

Btw, I have faith & it's powerful....
check out Hebrews 11:1
I don't need validation, I just like to debate ideas. I'm not opposed to changing my viewpoint if someone makes a good point that runs counter to my opinion. More often than not, debates help you to clarify your own thoughts and opinions about a thing.
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Old 07-17-2013, 04:35 PM
 
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I don't need validation, I just like to debate ideas. I'm not opposed to changing my viewpoint if someone makes a good point that runs counter to my opinion. More often than not, debates help you to clarify your own thoughts and opinions about a thing.
That's really well said.
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Old 07-17-2013, 04:40 PM
 
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OP, who cares if it's rational or not??
Why debate this with random strangers on the internet?
I mean if you have faith, it's a wonderful thing.
If you know what & who your faith is about, you shouldn't need validation on a forum.

Btw, I have faith & it's powerful....
check out Hebrews 11:1
I disagree. Believing in things without evidence (faith) is not a wonderful thing. When you do this, you become prey to all sorts of people willing to take advantage of abject gullibility. Interestingly enough, people generally tend to follow the rule of skepticism in just about every aspect of their lives, then exclude religion for absurd, nonsensical reasons.
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:20 PM
 
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I'll rewrite this a bit...

It's rational to believe a god could exist given a solid definition of what said "god" is, but it's not rational to believe a god does exist without reasonable evidence to support it.

Believing something exists without proof/evidence is precisely where most god beliefs find themselves.
Ive met him, he exist.

He lives on a farm in Kansas.
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