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wow, with that kind of thinking/"logic", you and your kind will not get anywhere.
you have made at least 3 false assumptions in your short 3 liner up top.
it's a shame....
'my kind' would implore you to answer the questions.
OP, how about "how does a just gawd allow raping of children"?
He either can't stop it or doesn't care enough to do so....and instead says "ill wait until you're done raping the kid then ill punish you"!
As someone once put it: that's the difference berween me and your gawd. If I could stop a child from getting raped I would!
(considering a gawd does not exist, the above is entirely rhetorical :-)
It's funny how we can see the same thing but come to different conclusions...
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Originally Posted by RonMorales626
1. The atheist claims that there is a contradiction between divine omnipotence/omnibenevolence and the existence of suffering/evil.
2. A theist (like me) asks, "Why do you say so?"
3. Thea atheist responds with, "Well, an omnibenevolent God would want to eliminate all/some existing evil."
4. The theist responds with, "Why do you think so?"
At this point, if the atheist responds with something that amounts to, "Well, show my why he WOULD have a morally acceptable reason to allow evil/suffering", then he's illegitimately engaging in burden shifting. If he's going to claim that a morally perfect God has the moral obligation to eliminate evil, then he has the burden to defend such a claim, and his failure to know of such a reason does not count as evidence that there is no such morally acceptable reason. To assume otherwise would be a case of an appeal to ignorance fallacy. As much a fallacy as an intelligent design proponent looking at some feature of some organism and demanding to know how that could possibly have evolved by unintelligent means and if the biologist fails to adequately answer, declaring, "Aha! So there is no good explanation!"
If the atheist cannot give good reason why someone should assume that a morally perfect supreme being creator of the universe has a moral obligation to eliminate some or all existing evil, then his problem of evil argument fails, since he's provided no good reason why anyone should accept a key premise of his.
There's nothing circular or of an appeal to ignorance in asking for reasons to justify a key premise to an argument. I'm not claiming that there has to be a morally justifiable reason for God allowing evil. I'm just asking the proponent of the POE to justify his assumption that there isn't one. If he can't, his argument simply fails.
oh, sorry, the above was so stupid that my brain just categorized it in the 'nonsense' category.........
A 'good' god would prevent someone raping a child because that's the 'right' thing to do.....and if you need any further explanation, then you're a sick individual who doesn't deserve to be grouped in with the rest of humanity.
oh, sorry, the above was so stupid that my brain just categorized it in the 'nonsense' category.........
A 'good' god would prevent someone raping a child because that's the 'right' thing to do.....and if you need any further explanation, then you're a sick individual who doesn't deserve to be grouped in with the rest of humanity.
I won't further my case because 1) You seem to understand it 2) You're resorting to personal attacks 3) You don't seem willing to be swayed.
I won't further my case because 1) You seem to understand it 2) You're resorting to personal attacks 3) You don't seem willing to be swayed.
You're wasting my time.
no, it's not a personal attack. if you took it that way, you're mistaken.
i meant 'you' as in 'anyone'.
and no, i don't understand your point because your point/logic is flawed at best.
God is not a human being and does not function in human ways...He is totally fair and loves the wicked as well as the good...There is no judgment or justification in the core of God...we are in comparison less than germs as far as God is concerned, Why would God bother judging mere bacteria? It is mankind that is punitive and judgmental or attempts to justify things...GOD created man then stood back and gave us a curious glance and left...You can try to call him....sometimes he picks up the phone other times he ceases to exist and is relaxing,.
God is not a human being and does not function in human ways...He is totally fair and loves the wicked as well as the good...There is no judgment or justification in the core of God...we are in comparison less than germs as far as God is concerned, Why would God bother judging mere bacteria? It is mankind that is punitive and judgmental or attempts to justify things...GOD created man then stood back and gave us a curious glance and left...You can try to call him....sometimes he picks up the phone other times he ceases to exist and is relaxing,.
and you know all of this...how?
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