10-24-2011, 09:19 AM
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Sh9730 - excellent comments! ++++++
As much as I like Gold Canyon, I don't think it will work for the OP. His original post included building an artist studio on his lot. I don't think that is going to be possible in an HOA community, and I think that most (all?) of GC is HOA's.
I think there are plenty of areas in east Mesa and AJ that would meet the OP's requirements. There are probably areas on the west side of the city too, but I'm not that familiar with that end of town. I agree that New River might be an option. Casa Grande might work BUT is flat in comparison to other areas, which I think would be a dissapointment for the motorcycle rides. Also CG doesn't meet the lake requirement - though in all honesty, I'm not optimistic that the OP will ever find good sailing lakes in Arizona.
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10-24-2011, 09:44 AM
Location: Casa Grande, AZ (May 08)
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JK -
Agreed that the one thing the OP mentioned about the lake is a drawback to the CG option. As far as hills...yeah, there are the superstitions east of AJ, but it isnt a long ride at all from Casa Grande up into the areas along hwy 77 or even hwy 79 (Oracle, Kearney, etc..).
Again, COST is a major factor - the OP wants to stay in the 100K-150K range. Might not be able to get EVERYTHING on the list for that price. But I agree, either AJ (there ARE nicer areas of AJ), CG, or even Santan Valley may meet their requirements....
They just need to come out here and spend a couple of days at least checking areas out...and I reccommend you do it in the summer - so they can see if the heat is tolerable. Although at least initially they seem to be looking for a winter home....
10-24-2011, 04:49 PM
Location: San Jose, CA
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Wow. Thanks - everyone! - for all the feedback. Sounds like I might have a few more cities to investigate on Google!
FWIW - I had a long-term work assignment, many years ago, in Tempe. And it was during your blistering summer months! So yes - I am familiar! Summers in AZ are kinda like Winters in San Jose: You just stay inside as much as possible!
I suspect we'll want to maintain "Dual Citizenship!" CA in summer and AZ in winter - but who knows???
One of the posters (I forget who - sorry - and I'm on a new screen and don't want to scroll back!) brought up a good point about HOA's. I definitely don't want "restrictions" about what we can do with our property. Clearly, we won't be painting our house hot-pink! - but the idea of having hassles/ordeals over building a shed in the backyard?! Well, I just don't want to go there!
Ooh - that made me think of something else, too! We have three small dogs and I don't want to deal with pet restrictions either (or "No, you can't store your boat in your own backyard" yada-yada!)
HOAs definitely have their advantages - i.e. front-yard/common-area maintenance and such. But being in a desert, I highly doubt we'll be worrying about keeping a lawn trimmed!
Nope. I think I want to avoid HOAs, if I can!
Please tell me that not ALL of the newer housing developments have HOAs!
And yes - whenever we get a bit closer to moving from "Dream" to "Reality" Stage - we definitely will schedule another trip to AZ to scope it out up-close-and-personal!
This last trip was *just* for the Jimmy Buffett Concert (and yes, we got stuck in gridlock!!!) - so we really weren't planning on looking at Real Estate... It was just something that popped into my head while we were there!
Lastly: Just for point of reference, yes we are in San Jose - but we're "on the fringes" of SJ. Where we live is very suburban (think 1970's tract-housing development with cookie-cutter houses). But being on the fringes is a double-edged sword. We actually are pretty close to twisty mountain roads (Santa Cruz Mtns), and have all of life's conveniences (Home Depot, Costco, Starbucks a-plenty!). At the same time, we are stuck driving *through* Urban San Jose to get anywhere (Don't EVEN get me started on my Bay Area Traffic Rant!). I actually do like the idea of being borderline country, though.
And no, I don't expect to get EVERYTHING on my Wish-List - but aim high, right?!
Anyway - thanks again for all of the feedback! :-)
10-24-2011, 06:41 PM
Location: Casa Grande, AZ (May 08)
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Non HOA - AND - newer - AND under 150K is going to be a tall order anywhere EXCEPT the outskirts. Even most of CG's newer stuff is all HOA, though there are exceptions. The problem is, like anywhere, the non-HOA places tend to be those with larger lot size (here that means over 10K sq ft - the 7K you mentioned is more the "standard" lot size here vs CA - for example my home is a pretty standard tract home (with HOA) here in Casa Grande and me lot is 8300 sq ft), and that means more cost, OR, further away from the city services....there definetely ARE places on the outskirts of CG that would still fit your bill for your budget, BUT, you will be 5-10 mins outside of the main parts of town, so you would need to drive in to even go to the grocery store etc...
Now, the positive side of that is you ll have your "chickens etc" type feel since much of the AZ outlying desert (in all directions) is still agricultural in nature.
My guess is that the outlying valleys of AJ and Santan Valley to the east, and Goodyear and Buckeye to the west will all have similar areas in your price range. They are all newer "exurbs" where the newer building is pretty much all HOA, and the older areas are still around since they never got built out to that point yet....
Best of luck...
10-25-2011, 05:09 AM
Location: Arizona
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I moved to Casa Grande on July 1. Everyone here is overweight because it is too hot to go outside for exercise in the summer.
I have yet to meet a person with a brain. This is a blue collar town. If you are coming from San Jose you will be very disappointed. I lived in Sacramento for 12 years and there is no comparison. I don't think there is a bookstore here.
I love the weather here, even in the summer when it might reach 115. The east end of town near I10 is very safe, except a woman my age disappeared two blocks from where I live last week while taking her morning walk.
There is one 4 mile long main drag where most of the businesses are (Florence Blvd). The streets here are straight and flat and very easy to navigate. The parking lots of businesses are large and without speed bumps.
You can get police reports on the Tri Valley Central newspaper website. Crime is mostly shoplifting and domestic violence.
I love the physicality of Casa Grande but the people are just not my type. But I'm single and you are married and that might make some difference. Also, people in Arizona are not like people in California. They are less friendly and more cliquish.
But housing prices are very cheap.
10-25-2011, 10:47 AM
Location: Casa Grande, AZ (May 08)
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Rodomonte,
Though my experience after a few years here (also moved from California) is somewhat different - for example I hit the LA Fitness in town for exercise, and the CG Mountain trail is now open and this time of year is perfect for that - I do agree that there is more of a blue collar feel here...that only makes sense as the higher paid employees were able to move to Chandler/Gilbert etc even during the higher priced boom. BUT, I ve met many nice people here and when I do need more "culture" its not a bad drive up to Phoenix proper. I hit many D-backs games, there are some good museums in Phoenix (though not New York or Chicago caliber), and again as I said there are things to do down in Tucson as well.
But no, CG is not a High Tech corridor - it will be interesting to see how things change when/if the new "Phoenix Mart" center gets built next year...that will bring in a large influx of new people with a different vibe. Planning commission meetings for that project are next week....
As for a bookstore - yeah...would be nice to get a Barnes/Noble type place in town, and maybe a nice steak house or a PF Changs...for now I head to Chandler for those things. They just didnt quite make it here before the housing collapse.
Finally, yeah, wierd about the missing woman - although other than friends/relatives say this is very out of the ordinary, there is no indications of foul play so far.
I appreciate you at least took the time to provide supporting information to your views - even if I slightly disagree with a couple of them.
10-25-2011, 01:07 PM
Location: Chandler
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One thing I think you should keep in mind, especially when thinking of a retirement home, is how close to medical care it will be. As we get older and the body falls apart, that should be a major consideration. While Casa Grande does have a hospital, it might not have the care you would need and could be shipped up to Phoenix or down to Tucson for more specific care which could also mean added costs. It would be one of the reasons I wouldn't suggest a place like Maricopa. 20 minutes to the nearest major medical facility could prove to be fatal in some cases.
10-25-2011, 01:25 PM
Location: Casa Grande, AZ (May 08)
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AZPAM,
Good point. I will say though after recently watching my mother's health problems worsen and her eventual passing, her stay at CGMC offered much more than it did even a year ago as far as specific procedures. They now have a Cath Lab on site so no more going to Chandler for stents etc...and the UMC (University of Arizona Hospital in Tucson) staff is now actively competing to get some of the Casa Grande patients. My mom had the HEAD of UMC ortho department perform her hip surgery here in Casa Grande on a Sunday morning...and then offered all of the follow up care here in town at a local urgent care facility.
They understand the growing senior population and the medical professionals from both directions want that business and as such are trying to make it as convenient as possible.
This post wasnt so much for the OP as for others googling etc...
10-25-2011, 03:44 PM
Location: Casa Grande, AZ (May 08)
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Rodomonte,
Just in case you didnt hear - they did find that missing woman dead in a field near her house but there were no signs of foul play. They are still investigating however it appears it may have been natural causes.
10-25-2011, 04:44 PM
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I wouldn't choose either CG or AJ from your original post. Queen Creek is the place you need to check out. The best sailing around here is Lake Pleasant. There are many sailboats docked there and they have clubs, "meets" etc focused on Lake Pleasant.
http://www.lakepleasantsailing.com
It's a long, long way from QC to Lake Pleasant though. New River/Anthem area would be better in that regard.
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Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)