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Old 08-15-2015, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Reseda (heart of the SFV)
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If the "left-wing clowns" are so anti-business, how is it possible that, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, California led all other states in terms of job growth from Jan. 2014 to Jan. 2015? Even with all its budget and water problems (not to mention the number of feminazis and wild-eyed liberals who live there) California gained 498,000 new jobs in that 12-month period, almost 30% more than #2 Texas' total of 392,900.

In its coverage of that statistic, the Los Angeles Times also quoted Stephen Levy, director of the Center for the Continuing Study of the California Economy in Palo Alto, as saying that California has also just set records in terms of its share of venture capital funding, exports, tourism and tech growth. Solid growth continued in the tech-oriented Bay Area, in spite of all the gay people who congregate there, driving up real estate prices. But the biggest jump was a job increase of 58,200 for the Los Angeles metropolitan area (people of color are notoriously Democratic and tax-loving, aren't they?) Explain that.

Also consider what's been going on in Deep Blue New York State. According to the state's Department of Labor, in "In June 2015, New York State’s private sector job count climbed by 24,200, or 0.3%, to 7,804,200, a new record high ... Over the past two months, the State has added 67,800 private sector jobs ... the State’s largest two-month jobs gain since February 1999." Since the beginning of the administration of Tax-and-Spend-Democratic Governor Andrew M. Cuomo, "New York’s economy has added 693,900 private sector jobs and experienced employment growth in 47 of the past 54 months. Also in June 2015, New York State’s unemployment rate decreased from 5.7% to 5.5%, the State’s lowest rate since July 2008." Amazing that so many companies are willing to do business in a hotbed of Socialism! Not to mention all those filthy Occupy people hanging around Wall Street.
That's an easy one. California is doing well right now due to cheap money created by the Federal Reserve which is fueling a tech and real estate bubble, both of which benefit California big time as California is the epicenter of tech(Silicon Valley) and real estate. Silicon Valley formed in the 70's and 80's when the state leaned much more conservative.

New York is doing well for the same reasons; money created out of thin air by the Federal Reserve. This has inflated the stock market which benefits NYC immensely because, of course, NYC is the financial capital of the world. When the fed raises interest rates or the economy has the inevitable downturn, NYC will be economically decimated.

Texas has had impressive job growth over the last ten years due to the oil and fracking boom. Oil prices have plunged over the last six months which will hurt Texas big time. I wouldn't be surprised if Texas is in a recession this time next year, especially in Houston.

Tech has always been strong California, finance in NYC, and oil in Texas; when those industries are doing well those states reap the rewards, regardless of whether they're red or blue states.
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Old 08-16-2015, 12:26 AM
 
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^THIS!!!!! I too worry about career prospects If I were to lose my job/current salary. Phoenix definitely needs to work on better wages/professional jobs for the Phoenix area proper.
This area isn't just going to get better wages/professional jobs just because. Education comes first. We need a highly educated, highly skilled population first. Those working in call centers don't deserve $60,000/year jobs just because. A huge issue here is that many people here just don't achieve the educational attainment levels needed to attract more high paying employers.
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Old 08-16-2015, 12:39 AM
 
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I'm questioning how legitimate this article is. Why didn't the Business Journal mention the names of the companies that bypassed Phoenix??? Seriously, public education is not a factor (or at least it shouldn't be all that much) because highly paid CEOs could afford to send their kids to good private schools, and the Phoenix area has some very reputable private institutions. People who are high wage earners but still send their kids to public schools are doing themselves, their children, and the taxpayers a huge disservice.
Because the businesses would likely not be as open about their opinions if their names were out there. The businesses might have a large customer base in Arizona. What company is going to possibly jeopardize their standing with people in this state over an article in the Business Journal?

Seriously, public education is a factor. It's funny that the article quoted our poor public education system as a factor, but you deny it. Believe it or not, more people work for companies than just CEOs. I find it disturbing that you think its acceptable for our public education system to be flailing around as long as we have reputable private institutions. There are plenty of middle class families that do not have the money to send their kids to private institutions. What are they supposed to do? I don't feel that anyone who sends their kids to public schools does a disservice to taxpayers. Education is in a investment in future generations, whether that education be public or private. There are plenty of people who have climbed their way out of poverty because of public education. This is the type of attitude that keeps Arizona lagging.

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We keep hearing all the bleeding hearts cry about AZ being at the bottom on per student funding, but it doesn't excuse the fact that 50% of the state's budget goes to public education, which is over & above all other expenditures by a long shot. Not only that, but approximately 70% of property taxes are geared toward education funding. This should be enough evidence that putting more public money into education is not the answer. If we privatized education and made the breeders pay for their own children's education, it would benefit everybody in so many ways. Not only would you & I see a substantial reduction in taxes, but the quality of education would be greatly improved.
How does this compare to other states? Again, your idea that "breeders" aka parents should be forced to shell out money for their kids' schooling is baffling. An educated population benefits us all. Education is an investment for society as a whole. What about the kids whose parents can't afford a private education? Should they just sit at home uneducated?

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I will agree with you about voter apathy, however. There is no legitimate excuse for any adult to not exercise his/her voting privileges, especially with the widely used option of mail in ballots. The last mid term election results were pathetic as far as the percentage of people who actually voted. I'm really fed up with hearing all these complaints about the "idiots in office", but a good share of the complaints seem to come from those who DIDN'T vote, so they only have themselves to blame.
How do you know that the majority of people who gripe about our politicians don't vote? Do you monitor polling places? Do you have some special insight into the matter that your willing to share? You seem to just be making assumptions. There are many reasons that people don't vote. One of the reasons is that people don't feel like their vote matters. Mail in ballots do not change those attitudes.
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Old 08-16-2015, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Arizona politics keeps the stupid people out of our State

I think that it is clear that some people that do not end up relocating here is a good thing, because those that seek to live by communist values are better off in another state or another galaxy far far away................
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Old 08-16-2015, 01:10 AM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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Seriously, public education is a factor. It's funny that the article quoted our poor public education system as a factor, but you deny it.
For companies, higher education, ie Colleges, especially research colleges for certain jobs, are a much bigger factor in bringing businesses here. They need to be profitable, today....and next quarter. Businesses want people ready to work today, not tomorrow. We also live in a very mobile society. If a company can setup shop cheap with the gov throwing them freebies and breaks left and right, people will fill those jobs from within the state and outside. Our high tech companies here and medical field jobs are filled with highly educated/specialized job titles proves this as fact. I guarantee you the chip fab engineers and the Dr's/medical specialized staff in AZ and their families aren't all native valley residents. I'd say the vast majority aren't. Same with all the middle class/basic jobs that people come in from other states and locate their families here and stay. Companies know this and expect this. The wider the net they cast to fill job positions, the better prospects in finding the best talent.

And let's not forget Arizona and especially the valley have some excellent, well regarded colleges. That's why I'm not buying the "one of the big reasons we didn't set up shop here was because of your public education system or diversity" excuses. As for our public school system, someone should have told them 3 out of the top 10 high schools in the nation are in AZ, 2 in the valley, and 2 out of the 3 are public schools. That's impressive.

Best High Schools Rankings | Top High Schools | US News

And all the decent schools sprinkled about the valley. The worst of the worst schools bring down our averages big time. The parents who truly value/care for their kids education will seek out the decent school districts and locate there. I also understand parents can send their kids to any public school in the valley/get on a list to do so if they don't want to move. There is home schooling. The bottom line is there are many options but I think there are more excuses than anything. If companies don't know any of this, in my view, they didn't do their research very well.


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Believe it or not, more people work for companies than just CEOs. I find it disturbing that you think its acceptable for our public education system to be flailing around as long as we have reputable private institutions.
I can tell you what I find disturbing.....people always defaulting to money as the issue why schools are "failing" and not looking at the vital link on what makes a kid either succeed or fail in school....caring and involved parents. Given the lack of personal responsibility in large parts of our society today, blaming anything everything on something else except the person starting back in the mirror, I'm not surprised at this false conclusion.

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Old 08-16-2015, 09:37 AM
 
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That's an easy one. California is doing well right now due to cheap money created by the Federal Reserve which is fueling a tech and real estate bubble, both of which benefit California big time as California is the epicenter of tech(Silicon Valley) and real estate. Silicon Valley formed in the 70's and 80's when the state leaned much more conservative.

New York is doing well for the same reasons; money created out of thin air by the Federal Reserve. This has inflated the stock market which benefits NYC immensely because, of course, NYC is the financial capital of the world. When the fed raises interest rates or the economy has the inevitable downturn, NYC will be economically decimated.

Texas has had impressive job growth over the last ten years due to the oil and fracking boom. Oil prices have plunged over the last six months which will hurt Texas big time. I wouldn't be surprised if Texas is in a recession this time next year, especially in Houston.

Tech has always been strong California, finance in NYC, and oil in Texas; when those industries are doing well those states reap the rewards, regardless of whether they're red or blue states.
Financially California is as bankrupt as Illinois....this is not going to end well for them.....below are a couple of other facts that does not bode well for them.

1. Per capita they are at the bottom when it comes to the number of police officers-explains increasing crime rate
2. Per capita they are at the bottom when it comes to the number of firemen.

What that means is that they sacrifice numbers to pay a higher individual cost.....the tax payers are the ones paying for it in the end.

New York...their state was losing so many jobs that they had to enact a 10 year give back in taxes to attract new business's.....just another short term gimmick...this won't end well for them either...those same companies will just move on when the time comes.
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Old 08-16-2015, 10:00 AM
 
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For companies, higher education, ie Colleges, especially research colleges for certain jobs, are a much bigger factor in bringing businesses here. They need to be profitable, today....and next quarter. Businesses want people ready to work today, not tomorrow. We also live in a very mobile society. If a company can setup shop cheap with the gov throwing them freebies and breaks left and right, people will fill those jobs from within the state and outside. Our high tech companies here and medical field jobs are filled with highly educated/specialized job titles proves this as fact. I guarantee you the chip fab engineers and the Dr's/medical specialized staff in AZ and their families aren't all native valley residents. I'd say the vast majority aren't. Same with all the middle class/basic jobs that people come in from other states and locate their families here and stay. Companies know this and expect this. The wider the net they cast to fill job positions, the better prospects in finding the best talent.

And let's not forget Arizona and especially the valley have some excellent, well regarded colleges. That's why I'm not buying the "one of the big reasons we didn't set up shop here was because of your public education system or diversity" excuses. As for our public school system, someone should have told them 3 out of the top 10 high schools in the nation are in AZ, 2 in the valley, and 2 out of the 3 are public schools. That's impressive.

Best High Schools Rankings | Top High Schools | US News

And all the decent schools sprinkled about the valley. The worst of the worst schools bring down our averages big time. The parents who truly value/care for their kids education will seek out the decent school districts and locate there. I also understand parents can send their kids to any public school in the valley/get on a list to do so if they don't want to move. There is home schooling. The bottom line is there are many options but I think there are more excuses than anything. If companies don't know any of this, in my view, they didn't do their research very well.




I can tell you what I find disturbing.....people always defaulting to money as the issue why schools are "failing" and not looking at the vital link on what makes a kid either succeed or fail in school....caring and involved parents. Given the lack of personal responsibility in large parts of our society today, blaming anything everything on something else except the person starting back in the mirror, I'm not surprised at this false conclusion.
Over and over and over again people seem to be missing the point on education.
We compete with a lot of States and metros with better public schooling. The companies didn't dog the education system saying it sucked and that's why, the dogged it saying it would cost them more to attract talent here because educating employees kids is a big part of moving. They would have to lift wages to attract out of state employees (because our pool is small) making it less competitive than comparable metros where the employees have more reliable public education systems. It makes Phoenix more expensive to employers than it's worth. They would have to lift wages to attract employees who have to invest the time to take them to charter school often far away from home without bus or other services (also eliminating your child's community feel as all of their cohorts are off in another part of the city) or pay an extra 5-15k/year to drive them to a private school (cutting into the wage). It's simple business. How are we missing this?

Our schools are pricing us out of our market.
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Old 08-16-2015, 01:40 PM
 
Location: East Central Phoenix
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Seriously, public education is a factor. It's funny that the article quoted our poor public education system as a factor, but you deny it. Believe it or not, more people work for companies than just CEOs. I find it disturbing that you think its acceptable for our public education system to be flailing around as long as we have reputable private institutions. There are plenty of middle class families that do not have the money to send their kids to private institutions. What are they supposed to do?
If people can't afford kids, they have no business having them. Procreation isn't a right! On the other hand, there are many middle class families who actually COULD afford private schools if they would budget more prudently, and quit spending frivolously on the latest gadgets (new iphones, etc.). I grew up in a household that would be considered lower middle class, but my parents were able to send us to a good private school during the elementary years, and they paid for it out of their own pockets. We simply did without all the designer clothes and other "in" things. It's called making sacrifices and putting priorities first.

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I don't feel that anyone who sends their kids to public schools does a disservice to taxpayers. Education is in a investment in future generations, whether that education be public or private. There are plenty of people who have climbed their way out of poverty because of public education. This is the type of attitude that keeps Arizona lagging.

How does this compare to other states? Again, your idea that "breeders" aka parents should be forced to shell out money for their kids' schooling is baffling. An educated population benefits us all. Education is an investment for society as a whole. What about the kids whose parents can't afford a private education? Should they just sit at home uneducated?
Yes, education is definitely an investment, and is highly important ... so all I'm saying is make the people who use it pay for it. If we have to keep the schools public, make the ones with kids in school pay the taxes. Forcing everybody to subsidize education (even those without kids) is a form of socialism. You should know as well as I that continuously throwing money at the beast only creates a bigger beast. It does not solve the many ongoing problems of public education.
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Old 08-16-2015, 02:17 PM
 
Location: La Jolla, CA
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The sheriff is an elected official and his sell-by date is expired. The person who said the "foreign nationals" (probably code for Indians) would be uncomfortable is really stretching. Not that our education is good; it's awful. But the key decision makers are going to be sending their kids to private school anyway. This sounds like an agenda piece to me too. The article says there is "more to the story", so I'll look forward to reading that.
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Old 08-16-2015, 03:22 PM
 
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It would be nice if there were more private school options in the Valley. There are few Catholic schools and I've been told that they are all full. We're not Evangelical so those schools were not an option for us. The secular schools are not convenient to where we live in the East Valley. This is the kind of school that would be a nice option here for parents who want a solid education for their kids in a non-Evangelical setting. Classical School | Christian Education | Naperville Christian Academy or Highlands Latin School | Private Classical, Christian school in Louisville, KY
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