Least favorite suburb (Phoenix, Mesa, Scottsdale: how much, house, neighborhood)

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

Not true in all of Surprise actually. Especially developments west of the 303. For example, Lennar's new development North of the 60 near the 303.
Same for East Mesa.
Same for a good chunk of South Chandler.
Northern Peoria perpetuates it also. In fact it's one of the worse offenders.

The character of the place is not ruled by the exception. It is, for the most part, flat land. Certainly the area you describe as "bland stucco cracker boxes with pink rocks and curbed in grass" is. The part where everyone would like to live if they only had the money is, of course, the rocky uplands.

Speaking for myself, I have moved around the valley and could never live in Chandler or Gilbert with its distant mountain views. I gotta have topography and I am willing to kill a few saguaros to get that!

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

The character of the place is not ruled by the exception. It is, for the most part, flat land. Certainly the area you describe as "bland stucco cracker boxes with pink rocks and curbed in grass" is. The part where everyone would like to live if they only had the money is, of course, the rocky uplands.

The blandness is the character of the place, that's the point. It's a perpetual sprawl with poor planning and antiquated methods. The future growth of Surprise, like many other communities is into virgin desert land of which it will do with great horizontal length past Wittman and into Wickenburg. Conversion of what is one of the most unique and beautiful deserts in the world, into cheap throwaway communities. Peoria is doing the same thing due north into Yavapai county. Worse, it will do so in the same manner this whole mindless sprawl has done it, through cheap housing and a fragile service-based industry susceptible, again, to recession.

Speaking for myself, I have moved around the valley and could never live in Chandler or Gilbert with its distant mountain views. I gotta have topography and I am willing to kill a few saguaros to get that!

In their defense they do have views of South Mountain and San Tan.

[ElleTea]

I could never kill a saguaro for my own selfish reasons. They have been here long before we are and will be here long after.

[Pink Jazz]

I presume those who are voting for Gilbert are probably some liberals who are intolerant of opposing views, considering Gilbert is a conservative city.

[Finger Laker]

Everyone had their own value judgements and reasons to pick where they want to live.

For you to impose your own value judgements on others and then denigrate the choices of others is absurd.

I work is Scottsdale. I make more than enough money to live in Scottsdale. I have no desire to every live in Scottsdale.

That is just me and to each their own.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by Pink Jazz

I presume those who are voting for Gilbert are probably some liberals who are intolerant of opposing views, considering Gilbert is a conservative city.

Why would you assume that they would be intolerant of opposing views? Did it occur to you that they simply may not want to live in such an environment that is verging on a theocracy? Intolerance would be trying to control their opposing beliefs. Avoidance isn't the same at all.

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by ElleTea

I could never kill a saguaro for my own selfish reasons. They have been here long before we are and will be here long after.

I wouldn't either, but I am aware that the developers took out many of them to build the subdivision I live in. I guess it is like eating steak. I wouldn't kill the cow myself.

[ElleTea]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

I wouldn't either, but I am aware that the developers took out many of them to build the subdivision I live in. I guess it is like eating steak. I wouldn't kill the cow myself.

Your statement about needing "topography and you'd be willing to kill a few saguaros to get that" is what I am referring to. I am not in favor of this at all. Relocate them if you must, but killing them to give yourself a better view isn't cool, IMO. I prefer the areas that have built around them as opposed to bulldozing all forms of life and starting fresh. Guess that's why I hate the suburbs. Too much clearing the land for bland houses and office parks.


In the end the cow is still dead. Who does the slaughtering is moot, IMO.

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by ElleTea

Your statement about needing "topography and you'd be willing to kill a few saguaros to get that" is what I am referring to. I am not in favor of this at all. Relocate them if you must, but killing them to give yourself a better view isn't cool, IMO. I prefer the areas that have built around them as opposed to bulldozing all forms of life and starting fresh. Guess that's why I hate the suburbs. Too much clearing the land for bland houses and office parks.


In the end the cow is still dead. Who does the slaughtering is moot, IMO.

Well, I was being facetious in that sense. I did not cut down any saguaros for the view. They are the view. But, you are right that at least part of the burbs involve conversion of pristine desert areas to homes and that is true of the places I have lived like Ahwatukee and Estrella. Others, though, change ag fields into housing tracts which is most of Surprise, Chandler, Gilbert, Mesa, Tempe etc. JG.. points out that Peoria has annexed all the way to the foothills of the Bradshaw mountains and that is going to result in destruction of much desert as it develops. Same with north Scottsdale. That might be enough to put those places on someone's most disliked list.

[Bates419]

Was there nothing growing in your Phoenix neighbourhood before it was developed??

Originally Posted by ElleTea

Your statement about needing "topography and you'd be willing to kill a few saguaros to get that" is what I am referring to. I am not in favor of this at all. Relocate them if you must, but killing them to give yourself a better view isn't cool, IMO. I prefer the areas that have built around them as opposed to bulldozing all forms of life and starting fresh. Guess that's why I hate the suburbs. Too much clearing the land for bland houses and office parks.


In the end the cow is still dead. Who does the slaughtering is moot, IMO.