What is pittsburgh? midwest or northeast or...Other??? (Republic, Atlantic: residential, residency)

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by Katiana

The American groups you state are not the only groups who settled the midwest. Some people came directly from Germany, Sweden, Norway, and even Italy and Poland to the midwest. If you don't believe me about the latter, look at the demographics of Chicago and Milwaukee.

It is true that later immigrants played a major role in current ethnic composition, in the Midwest as well as many other parts of the country. However, the first migrants to an area generally "set the tone" which the later immigrant groups assimilate to. In most parts of the U.S. native-born Americans had settled (however thinly) for a few generations before large numbers of European immigrants arrived. For example, Pittsburghese is actually much more strongly influenced by Scotch-Irish than Slavic languages, despite Pittsburgh having more people of Slavic ancestry than Scotch-Irish today.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by eschaton

It is true that later immigrants played a major role in current ethnic composition, in the Midwest as well as many other parts of the country. However, the first migrants to an area generally "set the tone" which the later immigrant groups assimilate to. In most parts of the U.S. native-born Americans had settled (however thinly) for a few generations before large numbers of European immigrants arrived. For example, Pittsburghese is actually much more strongly influenced by Scotch-Irish than Slavic languages, despite Pittsburgh having more people of Slavic ancestry than Scotch-Irish today.

Milwaukee is widely (and correctly) known as a "German" city d/t its many direct-entry German immigrants. Ditto Minneapolis and its Swedes. There are a number of small cities/towns in Nebraska and Kansas known as Swedish settlements for the same reason, e.g. Oakland, NE, Lindsborg, KS, and many others.

[SammyKhalifa]

Yeah, maybe it's just from my family history but I always thought the city was more from the Central-PA German heritage than from the people moving up the mountains from the South. ???

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by Katiana

Milwaukee is widely (and correctly) known as a "German" city d/t its many direct-entry German immigrants. Ditto Minneapolis and its Swedes. There are a number of small cities/towns in Nebraska and Kansas known as Swedish settlements for the same reason, e.g. Oakland, NE, Lindsborg, KS, and many others.

Milkwaukee is very German. It's also upper Midwestern though. Similarly, Cincinnati is very German, but Lower Midwestern, and the Texas Hill Country is very German, but Southern. The influence of German settlers in each place is notable, but not so heavy that it pulls it significantly toward other German-settled areas and away from its immediate neighbors.

Originally Posted by SammyKhalifa

Yeah, maybe it's just from my family history but I always thought the city was more from the Central-PA German heritage than from the people moving up the mountains from the South. ???

Keep in mind in the early colonial period a lot of Appalachia (and even the Shenandoah Valley in Virginia) was settled from Pennsylvania, as Philadelphia was one of the major ports used to settle the (then) west. Scotch Irish does not equal southern. Still, they were the first ones here, and up through the mid-19th century (when German migrants began moving to the eastern side of Allegheny City), the Pittsburgh region was pretty clearly mainly a Scotch-Irish in terms of its ethnic background.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by eschaton

Milkwaukee is very German. It's also upper Midwestern though. Similarly, Cincinnati is very German, but Lower Midwestern, and the Texas Hill Country is very German, but Southern. The influence of German settlers in each place is notable, but not so heavy that it pulls it significantly toward other German-settled areas and away from its immediate neighbors.



Keep in mind in the early colonial period a lot of Appalachia (and even the Shenandoah Valley in Virginia) was settled from Pennsylvania, as Philadelphia was one of the major ports used to settle the (then) west. Scotch Irish does not equal southern. Still, they were the first ones here, and up through the mid-19th century (when German migrants began moving to the eastern side of Allegheny City), the Pittsburgh region was pretty clearly mainly a Scotch-Irish in terms of its ethnic background.

Milwaukee and all of Wisconsin is way more German than Cincinnati or the Texas hill country.
In Rural Wisconsin, German Reigned For Decades : NPR

[EddieOlSkool]

Pittsburgh is more like Cincy than any other city. They practically are identical.

It may be in the Northeast but it looks like a Midwestern city.

Or....

does Cincy look more Northeastern???

[gg]

Clearly the votes are in and this thing has been going on since 2012. It states we are Northeastern which is of course true. We vote with the Northeastern folks, but we are way more friendly than them. That is the only difference, but we are more in line with the East due to how we vote.

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by gg

Clearly the votes are in and this thing has been going on since 2012. It states we are Northeastern which is of course true. We vote with the Northeastern folks, but we are way more friendly than them. That is the only difference, but we are more in line with the East due to how we vote.

Do you think the Midwest is conservative or something? You must not know of Chicago, Cleveland, St. Louis, or Minneapolis.

[gg]

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

Do you think the Midwest is conservative or something? You must not know of Chicago, Cleveland, St. Louis, or Minneapolis.

Most of the middle votes red. Sure you can pull out Chicago, but most isn't Chicago.

[JoeP]

Pittsburgh is Northeastern, that is not even debatable but why is this 2 year dormant thread being revived???