East Liberty Transit Center (Philadelphia, Pittsburgh: subsidized, costs, vs.)

[jay5835]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

Am I the only one who walks into a Best Buy or Barnes & Noble and feels like a kid in a candy store?

Maybe. I miss the local record, CD, audio, and bookstores they put out of business, even before we had the internet to blame. I've always loathed, hated, and detested Best Buy. Every night I say a little prayer that its imminent demise will be just that much more imminent tomorrow morning. I have bought nothing there except two CDs the day they opened at Pentagon City. That's as long as it took for me to see what they were doing.

[Evergrey]

Originally Posted by LIRefugee

For the hell of it, there are the top ten neighborhoods by 2010 population:

15,110: Squirrel Hill South
13,915: Shadyside
13,214: Brookline
11,363: Squirrel Hill North
10,551: North Oakland
10,113: Carrick
8,799: Mount Washington
8,442: Bloomfield
7,974: Beechview
7,294: Greenfield

East Liberty is at 5,869, the 17th most-populous neighborhood. I have a feeling that number will be higher in 2020.

Which means Squirrel Hill is 26,473 when not arbitrarily divided by the city's neighborhood map..

Other neighborhoods that are divided on the city map that would rank highly:


26,473: Squirrel Hill
22,210: Oakland
13,915: Shadyside
13,214: Brookline
10,450: Hill District
10,113: Carrick
9,492: Lawrenceville
8,799: Mount Washington
8,442: Bloomfield
7,974: Beechview
7,294: Greenfield

[Clint.]

Originally Posted by Evergrey

Squirrel Hill is the city's most populous neighborhood, more than twice the size of Brookline.

It depends on how the neighborhoods are considered; if it is all just "Squirrel Hill" it is about twice the population of Brookline. If it it Squirrel Hill North and Squirrel Hill South then South is...still the most populous and Brookline is third, behind Squirrel Hill South and Shadyside. I never really think of it as North/South myself, though.

Squirrel Hill South.....15,110
Shadyside...............13,915
Brookline.................13,214
Squirrel Hill North......11,363
North Oakland..........10,551
Carrick....................10,113
Mt. Washington.........8,799

Squirrel Hill South is the largest by area (2.67 sq miles) and Brookline is second (2.08 sq miles), and those are not going to change. Squirrel Hill South population density is then 5,659 and Brookline's is 6,352, so of those two Brookline has a higher population density. Both are much less dense than Shadyside (0.92 sq miles), which has 15,125 people per square mile. All three are more densely populated than the city-wide average (5,540 per sq mile).

[Blackbeauty212]

Originally Posted by LIRefugee

Do not confuse the difference in cost of living with the difference in wages. I do not have stats in front of me, but I can virtually guarantee that the percentage difference in median wage in NYC as compared to Pittsburgh is far, far less than the difference in cost of living.

Yes - I can attest that with the current economy and the oversupply of talent in NYC....Compensation is nowhere matching the COL in this City. Simply because people are desperate for jobs employers can suppress wages.

While Pittsburgh incomes level are rising....Last I checked Pittsburgh media income was in the Low to Mid 40's.

We all knew this was coming I don't know why everyone is acting so Surprised, as Pittsburgh moves up in notoriety and people start moving to escape the insane COL in the BOS-Wash Corridor. Rents are going to go up COL is going to increase, its that simple. No rising City is going to remain Dirt Cheap while taking in an influx of people.

Plus I think Pittsburgh is a bit further along in its revitalization than Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Cleveland, and others listed, they too (if they follow the same path of Pittsburgh) will be more expensive cities as well the more they get noticed as an "It" place to be.

[pman]

Originally Posted by jay5835

Maybe. I miss the local record, CD, audio, and bookstores they put out of business, even before we had the internet to blame. I've always loathed, hated, and detested Best Buy. Every night I say a little prayer that its imminent demise will be just that much more imminent tomorrow morning. I have bought nothing there except two CDs the day they opened at Pentagon City. That's as long as it took for me to see what they were doing.

in many areas best buy didn't put the locals out of business, circuit city did that, best buy put circuit city out of business (and now they too are struggling)

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

Yes - I can attest that with the current economy and the oversupply of talent in NYC....Compensation is nowhere matching the COL in this City. Simply because people are desperate for jobs employers can suppress wages.

While Pittsburgh incomes level are rising....Last I checked Pittsburgh media income was in the Low to Mid 40's.

We all knew this was coming I don't know why everyone is acting so Surprised, as Pittsburgh moves up in notoriety and people start moving to escape the insane COL in the BOS-Wash Corridor. Rents are going to go up COL is going to increase, its that simple. No rising City is going to remain Dirt Cheap while taking in an influx of people.

Plus I think Pittsburgh is a bit further along in its revitalization than Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Cleveland, and others listed, they too (if they follow the same path of Pittsburgh) will be more expensive cities as well the more they get noticed as an "It" place to be.

not all of the bos-wash corridor is insane, Philadelphia and baltimore, though expensive by midwestern standards, are more reasonable. I also think milwaukee is a good bit ahead of cincy and cleveland in revitalization of its core but I think pittsburgh is creating jobs at a faster rate. I was recently looking at commuter statistics and its clear ny hasn't recovered from the recession, the number of commuters on two of the three systems (LIRR, NJT) began to decline in 2008 and have been declining since (slowly). NEPA, a NY satellite, swung back to population losses as well.
I know people who basically realized they could trade in their red hook place and buy in upscale areas of Philadelphia and still make a decent wage. (and people moving from Philly that find Pittsburgh a bargain). I suppose it's all a necessary adjustment. If government spending cuts ever materialize, look for the DC area to stagnate and the same thing happen there.

[MathmanMathman]

Originally Posted by slamont61

Definitely what that area needs.

I'd replace the Busway with an LRT. LRTs are much quieter and more aesthetically pleasing to the environs.

[Blackbeauty212]

But LRT will be much slower than the busway.....Buses on the Busway move @ extremely efficient speeds and can move many more people per hour than LRT would be able to. An Express Bus entering the busway at Wilkinsburg will reach Downtown Pittsburgh in 10 mins going 65 mph Non-Stop. LRT can't do anywhere near that, PAT T Cars max out at 45 mph and there's nowhere in the system they allow them to get above 35 mph. Plus you have the issue of Trains not allowed to travel within close proximity to each other, that would also slow travel times should there be delays, Buses can go around broke down buses.


Leave the Busway alone, it does it job well. There are other areas of the city that should be the focal points of LRT, if we should ever have any luck getting it off the ground in the first place.

[AaronPGH]

I really don't want the EBA to be converted to rail. Like Blackbeauty said, keeping it a busway makes it MUCH faster. I love my short commute time.

[pman]

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

But LRT will be much slower than the busway.....Buses on the Busway move @ extremely efficient speeds and can move many more people per hour than LRT would be able to. An Express Bus entering the busway at Wilkinsburg will reach Downtown Pittsburgh in 10 mins going 65 mph Non-Stop. LRT can't do anywhere near that, PAT T Cars max out at 45 mph and there's nowhere in the system they allow them to get above 35 mph. Plus you have the issue of Trains not allowed to travel within close proximity to each other, that would also slow travel times should there be delays, Buses can go around broke down buses.


Leave the Busway alone, it does it job well. There are other areas of the city that should be the focal points of LRT, if we should ever have any luck getting it off the ground in the first place.

i dont want to get in an argument off topic but what you say is simply not true that rail vehicles cant travel 65 mph. so yes it could go nonstop from wilkinsburg, provided you actually wanted to do that...most likely youd want it to make stops to reduce the nunber of vehicles required at peak hours. its not important if it means. 13 min vs. 10. the speed of the t is likely due to other limiting factors. buses also carry fewer people. im not saying it should or shouldnt be co verted but those are facts. trains run into the hudson tunnels every. 90 seconds at rush hour. if all your complaints were true then theyd be ripping out the subway to put in buses in ny. theyre not. i merely pointed out that the busway was intenses for rail. i could point out buses are more expensive because theyre labor and fuel inefficient. combustión motors are considerably more likely to break down than electrics. anyway id didnt say it should or shouldnt be just that it was supposed to be.

[Blackbeauty212]

Originally Posted by pman

i dont want to get in an argument off topic but what you say is simply not true that rail vehicles cant travel 65 mph. so yes it could go nonstop from wilkinsburg, provided you actually wanted to do that...most likely youd want it to make stops to reduce the nunber of vehicles required at peak hours. its not important if it means. 13 min vs. 10. the speed of the t is likely due to other limiting factors. buses also carry fewer people. im not saying it should or shouldnt be co verted but those are facts. trains run into the hudson tunnels every. 90 seconds at rush hour. if all your complaints were true then theyd be ripping out the subway to put in buses in ny. theyre not. i merely pointed out that the busway was intenses for rail. i could point out buses are more expensive because theyre labor and fuel inefficient. combustión motors are considerably more likely to break down than electrics. anyway id didnt say it should or shouldnt be just that it was supposed to be.

I'm not talking about Everywhere...I'm talking about LRT vs the Busway in Pittsburgh....PAT's LRT are limited to 45 MPH top seed....NO FASTER, and even that the system itself only allows for trains to travel upwards of 35 MPH in certain sections. How ever PAT's buses from what I've personally witnessed can get up to almost 75 MPH from what I've seen the 28X do on the Parkway towards the Airport....

2nd the Busway itself has much more "Capacity" to carry more Buses per Hour at higher rates of Speed than LRT would again for the factor of 1 PAT limitations of Speed, and 2 Trains require a certain amount of spacing between each there for limiting the number of TPH.


Again the Busway WORKS! LEAVE IT ALONE!