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Old 06-12-2019, 06:06 PM
 
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I’m going to try to explain it simply enough that even you can grasp it. The “mandatory” is for governments, not individuals. He is proposing that a higher government (state or federal) mandate that lower governments allow families to choose which schools their children can attend. No one is lowering the value of any child’s education. One would only think that unless they think the value lies in exclusivity.
People would just move out of the county.
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Old 06-12-2019, 06:15 PM
 
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People would just move out of the county.
Bye
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Fox Chapel
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I’m going to try to explain it simply enough that even you can grasp it. The “mandatory” is for governments, not individuals. He is proposing that a higher government (state or federal) mandate that lower governments allow families to choose which schools their children can attend. No one is lowering the value of any child’s education. One would only think that unless they think the value lies in exclusivity.
It's funny and to some extent, interesting that people like you are such hypocrites. The first thing you do is attempt to insult people with sentences like "I’m going to try to explain it simply enough that even you can grasp it." Can't you, for once, pick yourself up off the floor and have a conversation with someone you may not agree with rather than starting off with an insult? I'm sure this forum is filled with posts by you attacking others for doing the same thing. And it would be you who cries loudest when what you preach to others, suddenly affects you. You remind me of the folks in Hollywood screaming and inciting violence in the name of open borders, the same people who have giant walls, fences, security systems and armed guards, the people that would never open their own doors but expect others to do so.

I don't think it's difficult to understand but I will slow it down for you: I work hard and sacrifice so that my children can go to a decent school. That's why I agreed to pay more for my smaller house. I would rather have my smaller house in a good school district than a big house in a lousy district or a new car or multiple vacations throughout the year. This is my choice and I'm sure others have similar priorities. This is what I value. These are life choices. However, not everyone would choose to live life like this and I wouldn't force them to. I don.t want your "mandatory" open door policy heaped upon me and my family so their quality of education goes down. If you do, I will move, simple as that. Eventually, you will be left with sub par schools and a shrinking tax base. Take a look around you.
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:59 PM
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Location: Pittsburgh
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It's funny and to some extent, interesting that people like you are such hypocrites. The first thing you do is attempt to insult people with sentences like "I’m going to try to explain it simply enough that even you can grasp it." Can't you, for once, pick yourself up off the floor and have a conversation with someone you may not agree with rather than starting off with an insult? I'm sure this forum is filled with posts by you attacking others for doing the same thing. And it would be you who cries loudest when what you preach to others, suddenly affects you. You remind me of the folks in Hollywood screaming and inciting violence in the name of open borders, the same people who have giant walls, fences, security systems and armed guards, the people that would never open their own doors but expect others to do so.

I don't think it's difficult to understand but I will slow it down for you: I work hard and sacrifice so that my children can go to a decent school. That's why I agreed to pay more for my smaller house. I would rather have my smaller house in a good school district than a big house in a lousy district or a new car or multiple vacations throughout the year. This is my choice and I'm sure others have similar priorities. This is what I value. These are life choices. However, not everyone would choose to live life like this and I wouldn't force them to. I don.t want your "mandatory" open door policy heaped upon me and my family so their quality of education goes down. If you do, I will move, simple as that. Eventually, you will be left with sub par schools and a shrinking tax base. Take a look around you.
You get it. Perfectly said.

I still feel it isn't so much the teachers, it is the students/parents that create a great school district. Great parenting focused on bettering their child's education. That is why I wanted my child to attend FC district. Sure I could have had a huge home someone else, but education was my number one priority. It is a lot of sacrifice. There are super cheap homes in the FC district as well as other pretty good districts, so if someone wants the district for cheap it is there for the taking.

I would move if there is open boundaries for schooling as we all know what would happen. Down the tubes just like we have seen time and time again with these horrible mergers. Look at Woodland Hills. Wow!
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Old 06-13-2019, 09:58 AM
 
Location: The Flagship City and Vacation in the Paris of Appalachia
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I don't think it's difficult to understand but I will slow it down for you: I work hard and sacrifice so that my children can go to a decent school. That's why I agreed to pay more for my smaller house.
What's truly sad about all of this is that some of the areas with the highest school taxes like Wilkinsburg or Woodland Hills do not have top quality schools. The main issue here is the Pennsylvania school funding formula and lack of mandatory open enrollment with transportation. This has worked very well in Minnesota and could really help high performing kids that are stuck in a bad school district.

Open PA Gov - School Taxes
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Old 06-13-2019, 02:47 PM
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Location: Pittsburgh
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What's truly sad about all of this is that some of the areas with the highest school taxes like Wilkinsburg or Woodland Hills do not have top quality schools. The main issue here is the Pennsylvania school funding formula and lack of mandatory open enrollment with transportation. This has worked very well in Minnesota and could really help high performing kids that are stuck in a bad school district.

Open PA Gov - School Taxes
Just another angle on merging that as we has seen doesn’t work. Look at Edgewood and what happened to them when that idiot judge killed their school. Now the parents have to pay for private school which in turn lowers property values and tax revenue.

There is local proof that merging destroys schools. When teachers become security guards instead of teachers game over.

It’s all about parenting.
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Old 06-13-2019, 04:28 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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What's truly sad about all of this is that some of the areas with the highest school taxes like Wilkinsburg or Woodland Hills do not have top quality schools. The main issue here is the Pennsylvania school funding formula and lack of mandatory open enrollment with transportation. This has worked very well in Minnesota and could really help high performing kids that are stuck in a bad school district.

Open PA Gov - School Taxes

How exactly does mandatory open enrollment with transportation work? It is difficult enough to provide transportation within one school district. Does the bus drive pick kids up and ask them what school they attend? Seems like an impossible task.
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Old 06-13-2019, 04:56 PM
 
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How exactly does mandatory open enrollment with transportation work? It is difficult enough to provide transportation within one school district. Does the bus drive pick kids up and ask them what school they attend? Seems like an impossible task.
Tacoma, Washington does it with a district of over 30,000 students.

https://www.tacomaschools.org/tkhi/Pages/default.aspx
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Old 06-13-2019, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Manchester
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The sad thing about this thread is everyone acts like the kids have a choice as to what school they go to. They don’t. Their parents can try to get into a better school district, but we basically tell children that their quality of the education they deserve is based on the zip code their parents choose/can afford to live in. We don’t value children or education; we value the decisions made by, the hard work of, or luck bestowed upon their parents.
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Old 06-13-2019, 05:16 PM
 
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The sad thing about this thread is everyone acts like the kids have a choice as to what school they go to. They don’t. Their parents can try to get into a better school district, but we basically tell children that their quality of the education they deserve is based on the zip code their parents choose/can afford to live in. We don’t value children or education; we value the decisions made by, the hard work of, or luck bestowed upon their parents.
But don’t you see, giving those kids a good education somehow harms the children of more affluent parents. 🙄
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