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Old 06-11-2010, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I wouldn't want the past administration to have any power
to do anything - knock on wood

What specific things are going on in MMS today? As stated
the charges are from years past. I don't know if they are a clean agency today...

I'm sure this is just lip service, but here you go:
Opposing view on the BP oil spill: We're cleaning up MMS - USATODAY.com
Here..this may prove an eye opener..it did to me.

The Spill, The Scandal and the President | Rolling Stone Politics
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Old 06-11-2010, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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I see you are intent on hanging Cheney for this spill.
You bypassed my earlier post with this question for you:

What criminal act did he do ?
I would say no more than those MMS folks that inked over penciled-in inspection reports on the oil rigs.

Or do they get a free pass because they are part of a Dem administration ?
He used a government elected office for personal gain!
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Old 06-11-2010, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Here..this may prove an eye opener..it did to me.

The Spill, The Scandal and the President | Rolling Stone Politics
The point of this entire article is that Obama didn't fix the mess Bush left him fast enough.

What year was the Deep water Horizon well built?
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Old 06-11-2010, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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He used a government elected office for personal gain!
It has to be a provable crime..not a matter of opinion.
It's been over 1 year and no charges have been filed.

You will probably never get your revenge so better to just leave the past in the past and move on. Grudges just fester over the years.
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Old 06-11-2010, 01:32 PM
 
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Again, I did nothing of the sort. You asked why this wasn't "Obama's Katrina" and I gave you 100% factual answers as to why it wasn't. I've also made zero mention of Bush's involvement in this current disaster, so your claim that I'm "pointing fingers at GWB" is about as asinine as you can get.

Because that isn't what you asked for.
Your entire premise was intended to point out that Bush was culpable in the Katrina disaster response, but none of that culpability can be assigned to Obama in the oil spill response.

What's asinine is your attempt to tap dance around your own words when you know exactly what you were trying to achieve: Bush is a moron, Obama is not.

Now that we've got that out of the way: When are you going to step up to the plate and acknowledge that Barack Obama/Ken Salazar/MMS are complicit in this ordeal?

We'll be waiting.
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Old 06-11-2010, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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Your entire premise was intended to point out that Bush was culpable in the Katrina disaster response, but none of that culpability can be assigned to Obama in the oil spill response.

What's asinine is your attempt to tap dance around your own words when you know exactly what you were trying to achieve: Bush is a moron, Obama is not.
There is no tap dancing. I gave you exactly what you asked for.

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I defy any person, liberal, conservative, or moderate, to provide good rationale as to why this is not "Obama's Katrina."

I'm looking for good, reasoned, rationale. Do you have any?

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Now that we've got that out of the way: When are you going to step up to the plate and acknowledge that Barack Obama/Ken Salazar/MMS are complicit in this ordeal?

We'll be waiting.
That's not what you asked for, so why are you changing rules in the middle of the game? Wouldn't that be a prime example of tap dancing?
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Old 06-11-2010, 01:44 PM
 
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There is no tap dancing. I gave you exactly what you asked for.

That's not what you asked for, so why are you changing rules in the middle of the game? Wouldn't that be a prime example of tap dancing?
Actually, I think the fallacy is called "moving the goal posts."
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Old 06-11-2010, 01:46 PM
 
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The point of this entire article is that Obama didn't fix the mess Bush left him fast enough.

What year was the Deep water Horizon well built?
if memory serves, the article points out that Obama approved DWH about 2 months into his presidency.
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Old 06-11-2010, 01:58 PM
 
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I defy any person, liberal, conservative, or moderate, to provide good rationale as to why this is not "Obama's Katrina."

I'm looking for good, reasoned, rationale. Do you have any?
You're right. As a Democrat, there is no way I can say in good conscience that he has acted in an authorative manner since this started. He did not cause the spill, I do not believe he is culpable in the lax policies which led to the disaster - BUT - he has been a let-down in the aftermath.

His inexperience - the one thing I worried about at the Democratic Primary - is on display. His crude remark on the Today Show was unwarranted - and rather than coming off like a tough guy, he came off as an insolent teen. It was very unnecessary and very unprofessional.

His lack of a well-rounded, mature, inner circle that he can rely on and follow the advice of is glaringly apparent throughout this fiasco.

I am still a Democrat - but I will not defend him in this particular case. I can't. Hopefully he will pull himself together shortly and get some good sound bytes and action plans out there.

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Old 06-11-2010, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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Actually, I think the fallacy is called "moving the goal posts."
Ahhh, you're right. Thanks.
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