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Not quite..19 waivers and 17 permits approved since the explosion.
We're too dependent on oil to just stop it.
It appears a lot of perfectly good oil will continue to gush and gush and gush for quite a while longer.
More birds will die.
More fish will die.
And many jobs will be lost and their fishing biz. may suffer for years.
On the bright side....we are dependent on that black gold and therefore....we should really get to drilling more now!
Much closer to shore too.....for easier containment in case of any future, similar mishap.
They had a 1 week advance warning that a class 4 or 5 hurricane was coming and they had FEMA and the national guard set up to handle the situation (or they were supposed to). The US government was not prepared to handle this situation or maybe we need to set up another government agnecy to handle the 100 year oil spill? The MMS deserves criticism and needs to change but BP's lack of diligence is the problem. The investigation needs to go forward but from what I have seen there was no safety risk management.
This is similar to Mt Helena but in that case there was very little to do in the aftermath, this is out of the ordinary.
Hurricanes happen all the time, oil spills 1 mile beneath the surface well this is the first time in the history of the modern world. The president could have done more but would have been little more than window dressing.
I was having this discussion with the parents the other day--and the first thing they told me (being die-hard neo-conservative sheep that they are) is that Obama isn't doing enough to stop the oil spill.
**** me sideways. It's a damned-if-you-do damned-if-you-don't scenario. If he doesn't do anything, Obama is reamed for not being environmentally responsible and is depicted as being spineless (all by the Repubs none the less). If he does force government intervention and do something, he's seen as a socialist commie who's purpose is to bankrupt corporations and nationalize everything.
And I also know that Nagan would NOT allow the feds in until after Katrina hit. He wanted to be a hero and screwed it up.
All we are asking for is LEADERSHIP and this admin and this dem controlled congress has ZERO leadership abilities.
Face the facts, Obama has dropped the ball on this oil spill. Like it or not, this is federal controlled waters and is the responsibility of Obamas to find someone or something to fix the issue.
Aw cmon now sunny days. You were trumpeting all over the place about how Bush was prohibited from helping our American citizens during a Federal Disaster, until I corrected you.
I already agreed with you local and state leadership failed in preparation for the storm. Now you need to do the right thing and agree that the Federal Response after the storm, was pathetic in every sense of the word. As the Federal Government itself admitted after their own internal investigation.
Now you want to talk about the spill. Yes it is taking a long time to fix, and yes I will even go so far as to agree with you that the Federal Response at first was inadequate.
But to get back to the basic premise of the thread, and your position I believe.
I.E. getting some supplies, food and medicines that were in standby, to a city in the United States (basically cutting through a little bureaucratic red tape) =
fixing an oil spill far below the ocean that had never been attempted before, and that even the "experts" in the industry responsible for the accident had no idea how to fix.
When you look at it that way, it seems just a little partisan and ridiculous, now does it not.
I'm pointing out the obvious. I'm not saying Obama shouldn't do something--but regardless of what he does do, he's going to be seen as the bastard.
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BP's job is to stop the leak WHILE the government protects it's shores. There has been a plan in place for this since 1994 and money set aside, which the feds neglected to procure the equipment needed and in effect got caught with their pants down. Again, Jindal was calling for millions of feet of containment booms from the feds, while miles and miles are still sitting in a warehouse and he still hasn't gotten what he requested from the feds. Why is that?
If I recall correctly, there has been no change in policies for the last 25 years despite the number of spills we've had, large and small. Second, the booms reportedly do not work because of the turbulent seas. But you are right--there are plenty of booms out there, why nobody is taking action is a good question.
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I will ask this question again, why wasn't there an aircraft carrier sitting in the Gulf with the required containment booms on deck ready to go at a moments notice?
Why would there be? This spill wasn't exactly planned, and the Coast Guard does not have access to Air Craft Carriers. The Navy cannot operate inside the U.S.
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Couldn't the President have done that in the very beginning when they knew that they failed at being prepared under the 1994 plan? Part of being a good leader is to be able to think on your feet and roll with the punches. I don't see that at all with this administration.
From that it looks like plenty is going on, but the oil in the water is not as serious an issue as the oil coming up. We have solutions to one problem, but not the other.
That's precisely where the limits of your ability to decipher between partisanship and pragmatism ends obviously. I have not - repeat, have not - absolved Republicans or the previous Administration. You will not be able to find one single utterance along those lines. What you WILL find are a plethora of posts and threads that attempt to absolve Democrats and Barack Obama. Just because you can't decipher between partisanship and pragmatism doesn't mean we should listen to you. Only AFTER you read the article were you able to step back from your position and insert some sort of sense. Me, on the other hand, I have been pragmatic about the entire situation. I knew from the outset that the Obama Administration was complicit. I have stated so openly, numerous times, on this forum. The Rolling Stone article only serves to vindicate my position, whereas it also solidifies the inability of the Left to see past their own noses.
I am happy to point these things out. Not because of partisanship. But because there's a real purpose in pointing out that mindless, blindless support for Barack Obama has to stop.
Firstly, it is practically impossible to blame Obama for what happened. If you want to make a case that Obama personally is responsible for the oil spill, then you could make a case that Obama is personally responsible when anyone breaks a law and gets away with it, because the primary role of the executive branch is to enforce the laws. Should we consider Obama an accessory to a crime when a kid dies because he didn't wear his seatbelt in an car-accident, since seat-belt laws are federal laws?
Outside of a few people who have been extremely critical of the oil industry. I don't think very many people expected for there to be issues with these oil rigs, which have a very solid track-record for safety. And keep in mind Over-regulation is just a waste of money. If this oil spill hadn't happened, then all those hundreds or thousands of government employees that are basically doing absolutely nothing but getting paid millions or billions or our tax dollars, would just be more money wasted.
The oil spill is terrible, and no one is happy about it. But who is responsible? BP and transocean is responsible. So they need to clean it up and be so heavily fined to prevent this from ever happening again.
If you want to better understand my position you should watch this movie, watch it more than once to really understand it.
You are the kid, going all emotional about the issue, and sensationalizing the situation as just another example of the evils of capitalism. But you have to look at the situation as it really is.
If we don't make sure BP pays heavily for this, then it(and others) will continue to make a faulty product. So make sure we place the blame where the blame really lies. All this political theatre might end up shifting the blame off the people who are really responsible.
Aw cmon now sunny days. You were trumpeting all over the place about how Bush was prohibited from helping our American citizens during a Federal Disaster, until I corrected you.
Correct me on what? Bush was prohibited from helping. Nagan would NOT allow the national guard to even enter into NO until after it hit. I know that for a fact and know a guardsman who was one of them.
So once again I correct you because you read something and still did not know the real facts.
I already agreed with you local and state leadership failed in preparation for the storm. Now you need to do the right thing and agree that the Federal Response after the storm, was pathetic in every sense of the word. As the Federal Government itself admitted after their own internal investigation.
Now you want to talk about the spill. Yes it is taking a long time to fix, and yes I will even go so far as to agree with you that the Federal Response at first was inadequate.
But to get back to the basic premise of the thread, and your position I believe.
I.E. getting some supplies, food and medicines that were in standby, to a city in the United States (basically cutting through a little bureaucratic red tape) =
fixing an oil spill far below the ocean that had never been attempted before, and that even the "experts" in the industry responsible for the accident had no idea how to fix.
When you look at it that way, it seems just a little partisan and ridiculous, now does it not.
Again this is federal waters and most anyone could have found someone or something to take control of the situation from day one.
Like it or not, the lack of leadership abilities in Obama has made things much worse.
46 days later he wants to kick someones ass. For what? He is the Commander and has the responsibility to either find someone to get this taken care of or step aside and let someone else handle it.
Obama has failed this mission. Like most other top level jobs the person at the top is the leader who should know what to do and if not they would find someone who could. He has not.
When it comes down to it the liberals are backing Obama on this and talk about being partisan. Come on, even the most left wing nutcase liberals are blaming Obama for his horrific response for this.
Stop being such a die hard Obama fanatic and realize this is a federal area and he is in charge. Well, in charge on paper but not in leadership.
Goes right along with all his decisions for 19 months now, making the wrong decisions over and over again and not being able to quickly do the right thing. This is way over his head and you know it.
Firstly, it is practically impossible to blame Obama for what happened. If you want to make a case that Obama personally is responsible for the oil spill, then you could make a case that Obama is personally responsible when anyone breaks a law and gets away with it, because the primary role of the executive branch is to enforce the laws. Should we consider Obama an accessory to a crime when a kid dies because he didn't wear his seatbelt in an car-accident, since seat-belt laws are federal laws?
Outside of a few people who have been extremely critical of the oil industry. I don't think very many people expected for there to be issues with these oil rigs, which have a very solid track-record for safety. And keep in mind Over-regulation is just a waste of money. If this oil spill hadn't happened, then all those hundreds or thousands of government employees that are basically doing absolutely nothing but getting paid millions or billions or our tax dollars, would just be more money wasted.
The oil spill is terrible, and no one is happy about it. But who is responsible? BP and transocean is responsible. So they need to clean it up and be so heavily fined to prevent this from ever happening again.
If you want to better understand my position you should watch this movie, watch it more than once to really understand it.
You are the kid, going all emotional about the issue, and sensationalizing the situation as just another example of the evils of capitalism. But you have to look at the situation as it really is.
If we don't make sure BP pays heavily for this, then it(and others) will continue to make a faulty product. So make sure we place the blame where the blame really lies. All this political theatre might end up shifting the blame off the people who are really responsible.
NO ONE is making Obama personally responsible for spill. But we are making him totally responsible for his lack of leadership and clear decision making.
This is HIS JOB to do something and he has failed miserable.
Stop making excuses for him as this seems to be a daily thing for him to not be able to handle situations like this.
The mistakes he makes needs to stop.
This is his baby and he will pay for price for not doing the right thing and doing what we pay him to do.
Another Obama epic failure.
Another horrible mistake.
Another poor decision.
Another case where we will pay the price for his lack of skills and lack of ability to do the job.
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