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Old 08-04-2010, 04:43 PM
 
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Honestly, its degrading to Marx how people simplify his work. I certainly don't agree with him, but the book deserves to be read before it is compared with modern politicians.

"Big government" is not what Marx had in mind, and it is not the same as socialism. Especially since "big government" is such an ambiguous term.

We're fighting two wars right now, if we don't have a "big government" I'd say we're screwed.
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Old 08-04-2010, 04:46 PM
 
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Which book are you talking about? The Communist Manifesto? Das Kapital? The Grundrisse?

I have read the Manifesto, large parts of vol. 1 of Kapital, and a little bit of the Manuscripts of 1844. Don't delude yourself that you can have an intelligent discussion about Marxism on this forum.
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Old 08-04-2010, 04:47 PM
 
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Honestly, its degrading to Marx how people simplify his work. I certainly don't agree with him, but the book deserves to be read before it is compared with modern politicians.

"Big government" is not what Marx had in mind, and it is not the same as socialism. Especially since "big government" is such an ambiguous term.

We're fighting two wars right now, if we don't have a "big government" I'd say we're screwed.
Very few people have actually read any of Marx's work. #1, it's not easy to read, #2, he has been demonized by countless people. His writings have been mangled and butchered dozens of times. He was so frustrated that his works were being misinterpreted that he himself declared, "I am no longer a Marxist"

It's ironic that according to Marx's writings, once Communism is achieved, the government ceases to exist. Very few people know this little fact.
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Old 08-04-2010, 04:47 PM
 
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Everyone has different interpretations even if they read the same material... instead of saying what you think he doesn't mean, why don't you elaborate on what he "does" mean... If Marx is not for bigger government, does that mean he wants smaller government? If its not the same as socialism/communism, what is it akin to? I don't know why big government is an ambiguous term, it means simply bigger in size and bigger in meddling with people's lives... we do have a "big government" and a lot of people recognize that as a problem...
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Old 08-04-2010, 04:49 PM
 
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Honestly, its degrading to Marx how people simplify his work. I certainly don't agree with him, but the book deserves to be read before it is compared with modern politicians.

"Big government" is not what Marx had in mind, and it is not the same as socialism. Especially since "big government" is such an ambiguous term.

We're fighting two wars right now, if we don't have a "big government" I'd say we're screwed.
Indeed. Marx's perspective was that the state would "wither" away. So, rather than "big government" there would be no government.
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Old 08-04-2010, 04:49 PM
 
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Very few people have actually read any of Marx's work. #1, it's not easy to read, #2, he has been demonized by countless people. His writings have been mangled and butchered dozens of times. He was so frustrated that his works were being misinterpreted that he himself declared, "I am no longer a Marxist"

It's ironic that according to Marx's writings, once Communism is achieved, the government ceases to exist. Very few people know this little fact.
Once communism achieve, how is it maintained? By empty air? Fact? right.... Communism requires forcing people to do what they don't want to do... if left to their own, they won't do anything or something for themselves only... our own humanity doesn't care if its a communist government or a democratic government... we are who we are...
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Old 08-04-2010, 04:51 PM
 
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Once communism achieve, how is it maintained? By empty air? Fact? right.... Communism requires forcing people to do what they don't want to do... if left to their own, they won't do anything or something for themselves only... our own humanity doesn't care if its a communist government or a democratic government...

Read the books and get the answer for yourself.
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Old 08-04-2010, 04:51 PM
 
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Once communism achieve, how is it maintained? By empty air? Fact? right.... Communism requires forcing people to do what they don't want to do... if left to their own, they won't do anything or something for themselves only... our own humanity doesn't care if its a communist government or a democratic government...
Have you read any of his works?
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Old 08-04-2010, 04:55 PM
 
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Monkey Business: The Lives and Legends of the Marx Brothers is pretty funny....
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Old 08-04-2010, 04:55 PM
 
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Which book are you talking about? The Communist Manifesto? Das Kapital? The Grundrisse?

I have read the Manifesto, large parts of vol. 1 of Kapital, and a little bit of the Manuscripts of 1844. Don't delude yourself that you can have an intelligent discussion about Marxism on this forum.
Most people on here think that Communism = Robin Hood. This thread has actually the potential to be a very interesting thread if the responses were confined to people who actually read his works. We all know it's not going to happen. You'll get some who will claim to have read his works and do a quick google search, but once you press them for an analysis, you'll see that they have never read a sentence written by him
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