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Sorry, but the people in New York I hear about absolutely DO NOT want the mosque built.
You are correct. I argued against that a number of weeks ago because at the time it did not appear to be the case, but it certainly is the case... to the tune of 63% and growing.
I live here, and I can say that without a doubt most of the people here are against this. I say that with no interest in changing anybody's mind about anything. It's just the facts.
From the bill of rights:Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Freedom of Religion, it doesn't say christian religion, jewish religion, muslim religion...it sez RELIGION no matter what religion it is.
It's in the Bill of Rights, it's the law of the land and has been since 1791 and if you don't like it you need to move to another country.
You are correct. I argued against that a number of weeks ago because at the time it did not appear to be the case, but it certainly is the case... to the tune of 63% and growing.
I live here, and I can say that without a doubt most of the people here are against this. I say that with no interest in changing anybody's mind about anything. It's just the facts.
It varies by borough. Most of Manhattan doesn't care about the mosque but almost all of Staten Island opposes it. A lot of firefighters and cops live on Staten Island. I can see why they would have a harder time with it. They saw the worst of the worst of the worst. The images they carry around in their heads have got to be horrible.
From the bill of rights:Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Freedom of Religion, it doesn't say christian religion, jewish religion, muslim religion...it sez RELIGION no matter what religion it is.
It's in the Bill of Rights, it's the law of the land and has been since 1791 and if you don't like it you need to move to another country.
Oh yeah? Tell me, who in the government is prohibiting free speech?
Seems the ones who want to restrict free speech are those calling people religious bigots and racists, those that oppose the mosque.
It varies by borough. Most of Manhattan doesn't care about the mosque but almost all of Staten Island opposes it. A lot of firefighters and cops live on Staten Island. I can see why they would have a harder time with it. They saw the worst of the worst of the worst. The images they carry around in their heads have got to be horrible.
Gee, the pollsters don't seem to break it down like that.
How would you know? You have your pulse on the opinions of people who live in those areas?
BTW, in case you didn't notice, it is NOT just NYorkers that should have a say, or those that died or were injured. People died in PA and DC and the nation as whole was injured that day. Just because you live where one of the attacks took place, doesn't make your opinion any more valid than someone living in CA or IL.
Gee, the pollsters don't seem to break it down like that.
How would you know? You have your pulse on the opinions of people who live in those areas?
BTW, in case you didn't notice, it is NOT just NYorkers that should have a say, or those that died or were injured. People died in PA and DC and the nation as whole was injured that day. Just because you live where one of the attacks took place, doesn't make your opinion any more valid than someone living in CA or IL.
Actually, yes, I got that from a poll that broke it down by borough.
And yes, I do have a finger on the pulse, which is the idiom I think you were looking for, on the opinions of the people in the area moreso than most people picking up tidbits off the Internet. If it makes you feel better, many of the survivors are opposed to the mosque. Others are not. Just like on here.
Never said my opinion was more valid than anyone elses, so I don't get that mini-rant thrown in there.
And I don't live where one of the attacks took place. I live in New Jersey, 60 miles from Manhattan. But I work there, and since I am close to this issue, it does concern me.
Amazing how the fool just days ago opens his mouth in support of it even knowing the MAJORITY of us were against it being built at that location.
Once again Obama goes against the will of the people and turns out he was on the wrong side again.
Is he ever going to be on the right side of an issue?
Notice the will of people is getting stronger since Obama took office. People are demanding things and getting them. Perfect example is another Obama failure of the KSM trials in NY, now you do not hear a thing about it since the people told Obama how and what they wanted.
Something tells me the reason they abandoned the decision is some of the money, the former owner of the property or something has Obamas or someone in the dem party's dirty hands all over it.
It varies by borough. Most of Manhattan doesn't care about the mosque but almost all of Staten Island opposes it. A lot of firefighters and cops live on Staten Island. I can see why they would have a harder time with it. They saw the worst of the worst of the worst. The images they carry around in their heads have got to be horrible.
That is incorrect.
In a Marist Poll last week, 55% of those polled who live in Manhattan were for it and 32% were against it. So 87% of the people polled who live in Manhattan do care one way or another. Manhattan is the only borough with a majority in favor of the development. It's not true to say that they don't care, and with this being last week's poll it will be interesting to see if the numbers change going forward. It will never be surprising to know that a majority of people in Manhattan will be for this, but they're not the only borough in the city, and just the same they do care.
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Actually, yes, I got that from a poll that broke it down by borough.
And yes, I do have a finger on the pulse, which is the idiom I think you were looking for, on the opinions of the people in the area moreso than most people picking up tidbits off the Internet.
That's NOT what the polls say. Every poll, national and local to NY, indicates strong, overwhelming opposition to the project.
If the pulse you are feeling is from people that think as you do on the issue, I'm not surprised you think you know what others are thinking.
We have the poll(S) and then we have your opinion of what people are thinking....who to believe?
Why dont we ever see on national news the real disaster Detroit has become.
Remember the underwear bomber!!!
The day of 9/11.....Muslims cheering in the street on Atlantic ave and Clinton st,Brooklyn N.Y....across the river from the Trade Center. Never heard that on the news.....Go figure!!!
Like I said in another thread.....they dont assimilate.
This is what Islam bring.
THE TRAGEDY OF DETROIT
This is a powerful message about the failure of the Great Society.
How in the world do we get out of this mess? This is a perfect example of how good intentions without good foresight can produce an absolute nightmare. Never underestimate the downside of human nature. The author of the following piece is a U.S. journalist who writes for seventeen national and two international magazines.
THE TRAGEDY OF DETROIT: HOW IMMIGRATION AND MULTICULTURALISM DESTROYED IT By Frosty Wooldridge For 15 years, from the mid 1970s to 1990, I worked in Detroit , Michigan. I watched it descend into the abyss of crime, debauchery, gun play, drugs, school truancy, car-jacking, gangs and human depravity. I watched entire city blocks burned out. I watched graffiti explode on buildings, cars, trucks, buses and school yards. Trash was everywhere! Detroiters walked through it, tossed more into it and just ignored it
Tens of thousands and then, hundreds of thousands today exist on federal welfare, free housing and food stamps! With Aid to Dependent Children, minority women birthed eight to 10 and, in one case, one woman birthed 24 kids as reported by the Detroit Free Press-all on American taxpayer dollars. A new child meant a new car payment, new TV and whatever mom wanted. I saw Lyndon Baines Johnson's "Great Society" flourish in Detroit. If you give money for doing nothing, you will get more hands out to take money for doing nothing
Mayor Coleman Young, perhaps the most corrupt mayor in America, outside ofRichard Daley in Chicago, rode Detroit down to its knees. He set the benchmark for cronyism, incompetence and arrogance. As a black man, he said, "I am the MFIC." The IC meant 'in charge'. You can figure out the rest. Detroit became a majority black city with 67 percent African-Americans As a United Van Lines truck driver for my summer job from teaching math and science, I loaded hundreds of American families into my van for a new life in another city or state. Detroit plummeted from 1.8 million citizens to 912,000 today. At the same time, legal and illegal immigrants converged on the city, so much so, that Muslims number over 300,000. Mexicans number 400,000 throughout Michigan, but most work in Detroit
As the whites moved out, the Muslims moved in. As the crimes became more violent, the whites fled. Finally, unlawful Mexicans moved in at a torrid pace. Detroit suffers so much shoplifting that grocery stores no longer operate in many inner city locations. You could cut the racial tension in the air with a knife! Detroit may be one our best (extreme) examples of multiculturalism: pure dislike and total separation from America
Today, you hear Muslim calls to worship over the city like a new American Baghdad with hundreds of Islamic mosques in Michigan, paid for by Saudi Arabia oil money. High school flunk out rates reached 76 percent last June according to NBC'sBrian Williams. Classrooms resemble more foreign countries than America. English? Few speak it! The city features a 50 percent illiteracy rate and growing. Unemployment hit 28.9 percent in 2009 as the auto industry vacated the city. Time Magazine October 4, 2009, "The Tragedy of Detroit: How a great city fell and how it can rise again," I choked on the writer's description of what happened.
"If Detroit had been savaged by a hurricane and submerged by a ravenous flood, we'd know a lot more about it," said Daniel Okrent. "If drought and carelessness had spread brush fires across the city, we'd see it on the evening news every night. Earthquake, tornadoes, you name it - if natural disaster had devastated the city that was once the living proof of American prosperity, the rest of the country might take notice.
But Detroit, once our fourth largest city, now 11th and sinkng rapidly, has had no such luck. Its disaster has long been a slow unwinding that seemed to remove it from the rest of the country. Even the death rattle that in the past year emanated from its signature industry brought more attention to the auto executives than to the people of the city, who had for so long been victimized by their dreadful decision-making."As Coleman Young's corruption brought the city to its knees, no amount of federal dollars could save the incredible payoffs, kick backs and illegality permeating his administration. I witnessed the city's death from the seat of my 18-wheeler tractor trailer because I moved people out of every sector of decaying Detroit .
"By any quantifiable standard, the city is on life support. Detroit 's treasury is $300 million short of the funds needed to provide the barest municipal services," Okrent said. "The school system, which six years ago was compelled by the teachers' union to reject a philanthropist's offer of $200 million to build 15 small, independent charter high schools, is in receivership. The murder rate is soaring, and 7 out of 10 remain unsolved. Three years after Katrina devastated New Orleans, unemployment in that city hit a peak of 11%. In Detroit, the unemployment rate is 28.9% That's worth spelling out: twenty-eight point nine percent."
At the end of Okrent's report, and he will write a dozen more about Detroit , he said, "That's because the story of Detroit is not simply one of a great city's collapse. It's also about the erosion of the industries that helped build the country we know today. The ultimate fate of Detroit will reveal much about the character of America in the 21st century. If what was once the most prosperous manufacturing city in the nation has been brought to its knees, what does that say about our recent past? And if it can't find a way to get up, what does that say about our future?"
As you read in my book review of Chris Steiner's book, $20 Per Gallon, the auto industry won't come back (to Detroit). Immigration will keep pouring more and more uneducated third world immigrants from the Middle East into Detroit -thus creating a beachhead for Islamic hegemony in America . If the 50 percent illiteracy continues, we will see more homegrown terrorists spawned out of the Muslim ghettos of Detroit. Illiteracy plus Islam equals walking human bombs. You have already seen it in Madrid, Spain; London, England and Paris, France with train bombings, subway bombings and riots. As their numbers grow, so will their power to enact their barbaric Sharia Law that negates republican forms of government, first amendment rights and subjugates women to the lowest rungs on the human ladder. We will see more honor killings by upset husbands, fathers and brothers that demand subjugation by their daughters, sisters and wives. Muslims prefer to use beheadings of women to scare the hell out of any other members of their sect from straying. Multiculturalism: what a perfect method to kill our language, culture, country and way of life.
I HOPE EVERYONE WHO READS THIS REALIZES THAT IF WE DON'T ALL STAND UP AND SCREAM AT WASHINGTON AND OUR CITY LEADERS THIS IS WHAT AWAITS AMERICA. IF YOU FOLLOW THE NEWS AT ALL YOU KNOW THIS IS HAPPENING IN ENGLAND AND FRANCE AND SPAIN .. IF YOU THINK THIS IS JUST A BUNCH OF PROPAGANDA OR YOU FEEL NO DUTY TO FIGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY, THEN I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL TAKE FOR YOU TO STAND AND FIGHT.
Frosty Wooldridge
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