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Why can't you get over yourself. Blacks with your viewpoints give all black Americans a bad reputation. Slavery happened. It's over. Jim Crow happened. It's over. It's 2010 now. We have a black president. We have black governors, senators, CEOs, athletes, actors, musicians, business owners, mayors, city council members and much, much more. Blacks have everything that whites have today, but many blacks hang on to this victim mentality and have this complex about themselves. At what point do you LET IT GO?Forgive and FORGET? It's well past time to forgive and FORGET, forget about being BLACK, and just be AMERICAN and HUMAN. When the majority of blacks learn to let go of the past and embrace the present, the black community will rise from the pit it's in and merge into mainstream American society.
Why are you under yourself? Only a racist and or someone who wants to see black people negatively would take the words of one black person and use it as a reason to condemn ALL black people. If what you say is true...then it certainly does not sound like I am the problem....but rather, the problem is the people who would extrapolate from ONE to all. Yeah...911 ended and we are still in Afghanistan with troops. WWII ended but we still have troops stations in Europe. The Korean war ended but we still have troops in Korea. The founding fathers died but we still can't get over document they created. The presidency of Reagan ended...but still can't get over him. The presidency of Bush ended...but people still can't get over it. The recession ended.....but people are still complaining about the economy........so whats your point? What has not ended is the fact that the black rate of poverty is STILL 3 times that of whites. What has not ended is that the black rate of unemployment is STILL 2 times that of whites. What has not ended is the fact that black wealth is STILL 15 times less than whites. What has not ended is that countless studies are done by the top universities demonstrating that racism and discrimination against blacks is alive and well. No one is holding on to the past.....people are simply explaining the present and those statistics that I just mentioned. I understand that people like you dismiss the past and hence blame those statistics on the endemic flaws in the biological engineering of black people....courtesy nature.....producing a lazy gene, a personal irresponsibility gene, having baby out of wedlock gene, a bad choice making gene, a violent gene, a low IQ gene etc. That is what you want people to assume is the cause of socioeconomic in3quality today...right...by omission if not comission.......because the internal flaws of the genetic engineering of black people, the product of nature and not a history of racism, is the ONLY STORY or explanation left to explain the continued condition of black inequality given that THE PAST as a reason and cause needs to be let go of.....opening the door for the acceptance of black inferiority as whats driving the inequality.
Only a racist and or someone who wants to see black people negatively would take the words of one black person and use it as a reason to condemn ALL black people.
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....producing a lazy gene, a personal irresponsibility gene, having baby out of wedlock gene, a bad choice making gene, a violent gene, a low IQ gene etc. That is what you want people to assume is the cause of socioeconomic in3quality today...right...by omission if not comission.......because the internal flaws of the genetic engineering of black people, the product of nature and not a history of racism, is the ONLY STORY or explanation left to explain the continued condition of black inequality given that THE PAST as a reason and cause needs to be let go of.....opening the door for the acceptance of black inferiority as whats driving the inequality.
Please stop implying that those who disagree with you are racist. It diminishes any argument you present.
The word gene should be replaced with culture. By attempting to pass it off as genetic you are removing any power or incentive to escape the prison that you seem to want to keep black people in.
Please stop implying that those who disagree with you are racist. It diminishes any argument you present.
The word gene should be replaced with culture. By attempting to pass it off as genetic you are removing any power or incentive to escape the prison that you seem to want to keep black people in.
You can say what you want. If ANYONE rationalizes looking down or negatively at black people in general (instead of that person in particular) because of something ONE, ONE, ONE....black person said......thats racism.
Lastly....the last I checked black people are practicing AMERICAN CULTURE. Our culture did not come from Africa....that was stripped from slavery. The culture that manifest in American blacks was createad and incubated right here in America in reaction to its experiences and interaactions with the dominant culture.
If I believed it was genetic, then I'd be calling myself genetically inferior because I'm part black. Genetics have nothing to do with it. It's nurture, not nature: modern black culture is to blame. Also, racism is also to blame, but not the type of racism that you're thinking of, I_S.
On the WHOLE (not every person), blacks are far more racist than whites. Blacks are more obsessed with race than whites. Many blacks resent whites because of slavery or perceived "white privilege," and so they refuse to accept mainstream American (what you call "the dominant") culture. If a black person uses proper English instead of Ebonics, other blacks say they're "talking white." If they conduct themselves with dignity instead of shouting and swearing, they're "acting white." If they wear clothes that fit, they're "dressing white." If they attempt to get an education rather than sell drugs or act stupid, they're "trying to be white." It's ridiculous.
The reason blacks today have higher poverty rates, prison rates, etc. is that they believe THEMSELVES to be inferior! In the ghetto black person's mind, to be intelligent, successful, upright and educated is to be WHITE and to be poor, ghetto, uneducated, drug addicted, criminal and unsuccessful is to be BLACK! Blacks are holding themselves back.Blacks are their own worst enemy. Ghetto black culture has done something that the Klan ONLY WISHES they could have accomplished! The reason for the black man's condition today is not whites, the government, white culture or any of that stuff, it is the black inferiority complex!
[quote=flyingwriter;15654906]If I believed it was genetic, then I'd be calling myself genetically inferior because I'm part black. Genetics have nothing to do with it. It's nurture, not nature: modern black culture is to blame. Also, racism is also to blame, but not the type of racism that you're thinking of, I_S.
Well.....lets not forget that recent study that demonstrated that black 4 and 5 year olds associated white dolls more with the qualities of "goodness"and "Beauty" while associating black dolls with the qualities of "Badness" and "Ugly". Any psychologist would tell you that what you are saying is improbable actually is not rare at all.
Culture is the product of environment and requires a degree of isolation in order that it can evolve seperately and distinctly. Hence, what molded black culture and incubated it was WHITE CULTURE. White culture sought to denigrate, isolate and segregate the black population. The city of Detroit used to be majority white. It became majority black because blacks sought to integrate while wants wanted to be seperate. If we were allowed to mix we would have one culture like the Irish, Polish and other cultures blended together as a result of integration. However, white people move out when a community gets too black or the schools become too black and hence this isolation incubates different cultures as well as creates a disadvantage for the isolated culture.
On the WHOLE (not every person), blacks are far more racist than whites. Blacks are more obsessed with race than whites. Many blacks resent whites because of slavery or perceived "white privilege," and so they refuse to accept mainstream American (what you call "the dominant") culture. If a black person uses proper English instead of Ebonics, other blacks say they're "talking white." If they conduct themselves with dignity instead of shouting and swearing, they're "acting white." If they wear clothes that fit, they're "dressing white." If they attempt to get an education rather than sell drugs or act stupid, they're "trying to be white." It's ridiculous.
Point me to any study or evidence to back up anything that you have just stated. To me its just BS.
The reason blacks today have higher poverty rates, prison rates, etc. is that they believe THEMSELVES to be inferior! In the ghetto black person's mind, to be intelligent, successful, upright and educated is to be WHITE and to be poor, ghetto, uneducated, drug addicted, criminal and unsuccessful is to be BLACK! Blacks are holding themselves back.Blacks are their own worst enemy. Ghetto black culture has done something that the Klan ONLY WISHES they could have accomplished! The reason for the black man's condition today is not whites, the government, white culture or any of that stuff, it is the black inferiority complex!
Again...given that you are part black....and given your first sentence in this post......you see yourself as inferior......following your own logic....which is what I said in the first place about you infering black inferiority while dismissing history.
This idiom applies to white America more and more these days. You want the benefits that come from history but not the liabilities that come with it as part of the package deal. This country did not become what it is without a lot of peoples being stepped on. It was a form of “see saw†economics where one group of people is put down so that another group of peoples can be lifted up.
A great nation was created from those actions and great opportunity, assets and wealth was created from those actions. However, as the rule of nature dictates, all actions create reactions. Those wrong doings created reactions and repercussion on the present that contemporary white society now does not want to be burdened with. They say that they played no role in creating those burdens should not, therefore, have to pay the burden. However, did they play a role in the freedoms they enjoy today? Did they fight in the revolutionary war or take part in the creation of the constitution which gives them so many freedoms? Should anyone who argues that they should not have the burden of liabilities, based upon not being involved in creating them, be also exempted from the benefits of assets and freedoms from the past as well, since they played not role in creating those either?
Everything “good†that the forefathers of whites have created and left them, whites embrace and accept, but they reject the notion or suggestion that they be burdened in any way from the “bad†that their forefathers left in the package deal. Yes, your forefathers and society created a constitution, freedoms, rights, assets, wealth and opportunity that were passed to you. Yet, they also enslaved or oppressed or discriminated and passed laws promoting different treatment of people based upon the color of their skin. They also propagated a doctrine of racial supremacy and purposely constructed an unequal society, based upon a racial hierarchy, the consequences of which created reverberations and inequality that has and will last long after the legal vestiges of this policy ended.
Now we exist in the here and now called the present. This present is the creation of “that†past. The past delivers a “package deal†to the present and creates REALITY from its ingrediants. One cannot reject the bad while accepting the good or not accept the good while rejecting the bad. Both are a package deal, inseparable, that is the inheritance of the past. Yet, whites see “double standards†because they will not accept the burdens their forefathers left in creating the present with all the benefits that they accept and enjoy. They want to “Have their cake and eat it tooâ€. They want the fruits of the past to benefit them but they don’t want the burdens of the past to hinder them. To eliminate the burdens is to eliminate the benefits and to eliminate the benefits is to eliminate the burdens. One cannot parse reality. It is what it is. Yet, whites cannot accept and will not accept that their forefathers left you both assets and liabilities from the past. When one receives an inheritance, if they choose to accept it they are accepting the assets and liabilities associated with it.
There are not double standards…….just a double history.
Many problems with your entire theory, but before I go into them, a question for you:
Using your logic, we can apply it to the African-American population. For one, they glorify Africa, 100% ignoring the fact that the slave trade that brought their ancestors here was started by Africans. In fact, Africa is the last place on earth where slavery is openly practiced in some nations.
So...using your logic, can we say that African-Americans share in the liabilities of their ancestors, and to be blunt, the wealth it created in some African nations? Should African-Americans stop glorfying the place which sold their ancestors to begin with? Do Africans share the burden?
Only a racist and or someone who wants to see black people negatively would take the words of one black person and use it as a reason to condemn ALL black people.
uh, say what?
Why is it okay for you to have your cake and eat it too, but nobody else can?
Go back to your OP. You are one person who wants to see white people negatively and uses actions of long-dead white (and black) people as a reason to condemn ALL white people.
Your cake is so full of holes, it's falling apart.
Why is it okay for you to have your cake and eat it too, but nobody else can?
Go back to your OP. You are one person who wants to see white people negatively and uses actions of long-dead white (and black) people as a reason to condemn ALL white people.
Your cake is so full of holes, it's falling apart.
Not hardly. Besides a 300 year history of laws and massive resistance by whites at all milestones to end legal black oppression or to integrate society......there is continued white flight.....there is continued desire not to send white kids to schools with too many blacks....there is continued desire by white to not want to see any efforts by a socity that inflicted them to take part of the responsibility in curing them.....there is a continued effort by many, if not most, whites to call black people lazy, irresponsible, dumb, violent and suggest that.....black people produce and live an inferior culture to that of white people. Why, in the same era and in the same nation would one group of people produce an inferior culture to another group of people if one did not assume it had anything to do with external circumstances? That would mean INTERNAL circumstance.....like the NATURE of the black mind.....is to blame. I mean.....is not culture a reflection of the THINKING of a people if its not bound by environment and circumstance? People are telling blacks that its our culture that is inferior and causing our problems....and not genetics. However, if there is a thought process in the engineering of culture.....by arguing that black people have an inferior culture is to argue, at its roots, that black people have inferior thinking.....in other words.....inferior minds. Everyone knows that suggesting that its genetics PROVES that one is a racist.....and white know this......so they blame it on CULTURE and then argue that the black culture is the creation of BLACK PEOPLE. The bottom line is still the same......they are arguing that black culture is inferior to white culture......which is really no different than arguing that black people are inferior to white people since black people produce black culture and white people produce white culture.
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