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Old 11-20-2010, 03:06 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Some did. Like Maximilian Kolbe in Poland. Others gleefully helped ship their Jewish neighbors off to the camps, many times as part of property grabs.
That didn't happen just to Jews alone. People all over Europe did that, especially in what are now the former Soviet Republics. Always to save their own skins or as "part of property grabs". Christianity didn't play a part in that.

 
Old 11-20-2010, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Christians have only themselves to blame if the nation is turning against them. The worst people in America seem to profess to be Christians when in reality they are total hypocrites who shame the name of Christ and put the Christian religion in the gutter. I am Catholic but am extremely ashamed of the bishops who overlook pedophile priests and yet preach that homosexuality is a sin; the hypocrisy is almost overwhelmingly vomit. Same with the Bible-belt evangelicals, Mormons, Baptists, etc; they are ugly and evil people who are anything but Christ-like. I have come to really appreciate Episcopalians and Lutherans for staying out of politics but recognizing the need to treat all people with love; they are the closest to being true Christians.
 
Old 11-20-2010, 04:45 PM
 
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Well you have the Phelps and then you have Mother Theresa----both Christians. If you can't distinguish between the two I don't think I can do anything for you. Roll eyes.

No one is saying Christians are sinless, Christians are taught, we are all sinful. We all need to look to our own sins. Telling someone whatever they do is just great is not love---any parent will tell you that. Many Episcopalians are leaving and joining the Catholic church, same with Lutherans.
 
Old 11-20-2010, 05:05 PM
 
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LOL, right on schedule some Moderator cut: inappropriate has to bring up ancient history to prove how violent Christianity is (was).

Try dealing with the facts as they are today because that is what affects us now, in the present world. Christianity has evolved past its violent history. Islam has not evolved at all and is, in today's modern world, the biggest terrorist threat to civilization.


Liberal Narcissism and Anti-Christian Phobia.
"Americans have always expected national television broadcasters to steer clear of degrading epithets. On April 14, 2009, CNN's Anderson Cooper established a new low in television journalism when he labeled millions of Americans in the Tea Party movement with a vulgar sexual term. Other mainstream media journalists and personalities gleefully followed suit. There was no outcry from the "anti-hate community." Many liberals do not merely tolerate contumelies against conservatives, but they delight in them."
I have known Christians who are humble, caring, and wonderful people. Do they make mistakes? Of course. They're human. Unfortunately, I've known more people who went to church diligently, wore their 'Christianity on their lapel like it was a badge, were jealous, petty, bigots and hypocrites.

Anyone who is Christian or who has been around Christians know the basic tenets, regardless of how many different factions. We expect more from Christians because they CHOOSE to say they are Christian. They KNOW the tenet of Christianity is not to judge, and wag their fingers at people who aren't Christian.

IMO, it is much worse to say you are Christian and be bigots, hypocrites, liars, cheaters, et cetra, than it is for someone who isn't Christian. You know the tenet.

If you say you're Christian then just live as a Christian or shut up about it.

"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." John 8:7

And ca-ca like this happening all the time doesn't raise much respect for Christians.

Facebook-banning NJ pastor acknowledges threesome - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101120/ap_on_re_us/us_pastor_facebook_edict - broken link)

Whatever happened to the SC Gov. who went for a walk in mountains and ended up boinking his mistress in Argentina? One more fine Christian.
 
Old 11-20-2010, 05:23 PM
 
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No, one more fallen Christian. Human temptations. Just because you try to practice a faith doesn't mean you won't sin ever again.

Christianity is also big on redemption. Better than stoning and then I will stone your whole family while I am at it.
 
Old 11-20-2010, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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No, one more fallen Christian. Human temptations. Just because you try to practice a faith doesn't mean you won't sin ever again.

Christianity is also big on redemption. Better than stoning and then I will stone your whole family while I am at it.
True. No human is infallible, including Christians. Why would anyone expect otherwise? The Bible teaches us not to judge and not to sin, but God knows as sinful beings, we will. That’s the purpose of redemption.
 
Old 11-20-2010, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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LOL@ Christians playing the victim card. Please spare me the theatrics. Honestly can anyone but a Christian be elected to high office? Hell even a Catholic or Mormon would have a hard time getting elected. Christians are the most powerful special interest group in America.

Honestly Christians have zero right to claim they are en masse discriminated against. We live in a country where a man could find the cure for AIDS and negotiate peace in the Middle East and still not get elected to high office if he didn't pledge belief in some mythical sky daddy. Instead we have people like Sarah Palin and Rand Paul set to run the country.

Seriously in this country we have virtually no other agreed upon qualifications for our most powerful office other than you must believe in God, more specifically the Christian God. We live in a nation where Creationism is still considered a valid theory and many Americans feel it should be taught side by side with evolution in science classes. We live in a country where a President used "God told me to" as a reason to invade Iraq.

So please Christians, spare us all the drama.
 
Old 11-20-2010, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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We know Hollywood hates America but there's something special about libnuts using ignorance, fear, and hate to combat ....ignorance, fear, and hate, LOL.

BEHAR: BIBLICAL VIEWS ON HOMOSEXUALITY LEAD TO BULLYING

Yes, kids who bully get all of their ideas from reading the Bible.
It's like a manual for bullying. Like Father like child:

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GE 3:1-7, 22-24 God allows Adam and Eve to be deceived by the Serpent (the craftiest of all of God's wild creatures). They eat of the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil," thereby incurring death for themselves and all of mankind for ever after. God prevents them from regaining eternal life, by placing a guard around the "Tree of Eternal Life." (Note: God could have done the same for the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" in the first place and would thereby have prevented the Fall of man, the necessity for Salvation, the Crucifixion of Jesus, etc.)
GE 4:2-8 God's arbitrary preference of Abel's offering to that of Cain's provokes Cain to commit the first biblically recorded murder and kill his brother Abel.
GE 34:13-29 The Israelites kill Hamor, his son, and all the men of their village, taking as plunder their wealth, cattle, wives and children.
GE 6:11-17, 7:11-24 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to do something about it. He kills every living thing on the face of the earth other than Noah's family and thereby makes himself the greatest mass murderer in history.
GE 19:26 God personally sees to it that Lot's wife is turned to a pillar of salt (for having looked behind her while fleeing the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah).
GE 38:9 "... whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked ..., so the Lord put him to death."
EX 2:12 Moses murders an Egyptian.
EX 7:1, 14, 9:14-16, 10:1-2, 11:7 The purpose of the devastation that God brings to the Egyptians is as follows:
to show that he is Lord;
to show that there is none like him in all the earth;
to show his great power;
to cause his name to be declared throughout the earth;
to give the Israelites something to talk about with their children;
to show that he makes a distinction between Israel and Egypt.
EX 9:22-25 A plague of hail from the Lord strikes down everything in the fields of Egypt both man and beast except in Goshen where the Israelites reside.
EX 12:29 The Lord kills all the first-born in the land of Egypt.
EX 17:13 With the Lord's approval, Joshua mows down Amalek and his people.
EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave may be beaten to death with no punishment for the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die too quickly.
EX 32:27 "Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.
EX 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay 3000 men.
LE 26:7-8 The Lord promises the Israelites that, if they are obedient, their enemies will "fall before your sword."
LE 26:22 "I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children."
LE 26:29, DT 28:53, JE 19:9, EZ 5:8-10 As a punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat the flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers and friends.
LE 27:29 Human sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An example is given in JG 11:30-39)
NU 11:33 The Lord smites the people with a great plague.
NU 12:1-10 God makes Miriam a leper for seven days because she and Aaron had spoken against Moses.
NU 15:32-36 A Sabbath breaker (who had gathered sticks for a fire) is stoned to death at the Lord's command.
NU 16:27-33 The Lord causes the earth to open and swallow up the men and their households (including wives and children) because the men had been rebellious.
NU 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men.
NU 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.
NU 21:3 The Israelites utterly destroy the Canaanites.
NU 21:6 Fiery serpents, sent by the Lord, kill many Israelites.
NU 21:35 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay Og "... and his sons and all his people, until there was not one survivor left ...."
NU 25:4 (KJV) "And the Lord said unto Moses, take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the Lord against the sun ...."
NU 25:8 "He went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly."
NU 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord.
NU 31:9 The Israelites capture Midianite women and children.
Bible Atrocities: Atrocities in the Bible

There's also this list:
Cruelty and Violence
 
Old 11-20-2010, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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No...it really doesn't. There have been periods where Christians have defended themselves against islamic aggression....and there have been a few times that people did violent things, but by and large it's a very peaceful history.

The religion itself is very peaceful, and devout followers of Christianity are peaceful. We can't say the same for devout muslims or secular humanists.
Oh you're right. It seems like every day I'm turning on the TV only to see more atrocities at the hands of Secular Humanists. (I really hope you get the sarcasm because I was laying it on thick.)
 
Old 11-20-2010, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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The anti-slavery movement was mostly started in the churches. I bet if Martin Luther King came back the media would fry him for being a Baptist minister and mocking his message.
Surely you jest? The slavery movement was defended by Christians using Biblical texts as their justification.
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