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I watch in horror at the 'peaceful' thigs they've done in their god's name.
I care for my brother who thankfully came back from both theaters of war.
I wait and wait for 'moderate peace loving' muslims to condemn the horror their brethren have brought upon mankind. They are largely silent - so very few speak up. I have to wonder why.
I have come to believe this speech by Winston Churchill:
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the infence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.
It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."
Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50, London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).
I would have to wonder how many people living in the UK know about this speech by Churchill. From what has taken place there in the last few years i would say the number is quite small.
I have waited for the moderate, peace loving Muslims to stand up against the extremists in their numbers and have become convinced that it won't happen, for whatever reason. I think they know that the day will come when the Islamists will take over things and they don't want to be among the first ones killed for standing up to them.
I watch in horror at the 'peaceful' thigs they've done in their god's name.
I care for my brother who thankfully came back from both theaters of war.
I wait and wait for 'moderate peace loving' muslims to condemn the horror their brethren have brought upon mankind. They are largely silent - so very few speak up. I have to wonder why.
I have come to believe this speech by Winston Churchill:
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the infence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.
It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."
Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50, London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).
You've read the Koran? Which translation? Which version? You do realize that Islam is like Christianity, there are different belief systems that fall under the umbrella of Islam, just like Catholicism is distinct from Lutherans, Lutherans distinct from Baptists. Have you read every version of the Koran, every translation, every imam's interpretation?
Muslims have spoken up against the acts of terrorism. There are literally hundreds of hits on such speaking out on the internet alone, and probably there are thousands of incidents of speaking out that haven't made it to the internet.
Churchill's speech has a context. The Ottoman Empire wasn't on our side during World War II. And after how the Middle East was reconfigured to suit BP (British Petroleum) at the beginning of the 20th century, it's a wonder that the Allies had any friends in the Middle East at all.
Those people may consider themselves to be at war with the United States, but the United States doesn't have to think that they are war with those people.
Wow, that is a great formula for defeat if I ever heard one.
Wow, that is a great formula for defeat if I ever heard one.
DC is avoiding the fact that the American Brotherhood did declare war on the US the other day. That is very much like what the news media, Fox included, is doing about that event. Someday we may get to see someone in the media tell about this event but it will be too late then.
Evidently you haven't heard many great formulas. So sad for you.
How about explaining just how that formula is not a great one for defeat? Do you remember how much trouble FDR had to go to just to overcome the thinking of the Congress of the early 40s? I think he finally set up the Pacific Fleet for the December 7, 1941 attack to get the people of this country ready to get us into that little war. Hauling those ships into harbor every Friday was certainly a great formula for that defeat. I wonder why the carriers were always at sea on the weekends.
I have come to believe this speech by Winston Churchill:
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the infence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.
It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."
Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50, London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).
It is not a speech, it is a book, which he wrote in his 20s, while fighting in a war against a muslim country in Africa.
Perhaps the angry and fear ridden who condemn the Islamic religion and would war against them have overlooked the fact that Al Qaida and the Talaban have their roots in Wahabism, a small radical sect of Islam generally refuted by mainstream muslims.
You've read the Koran? Which translation? Which version? You do realize that Islam is like Christianity, there are different belief systems that fall under the umbrella of Islam, just like Catholicism is distinct from Lutherans, Lutherans distinct from Baptists. Have you read every version of the Koran, every translation, every imam's interpretation?
Please find me the one that has passages within it that exclude the outright murder of the infidels.
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Muslims have spoken up against the acts of terrorism. There are literally hundreds of hits on such speaking out on the internet alone, and probably there are thousands of incidents of speaking out that haven't made it to the internet.
Screw the internet. Let them stand up on the tube, newspapers, books, radio, the malls, etc. and proclaim to the world loudly they denounce what has been done in their faith. It's too small a voice for now - the time when it's needed the most. They dare not stand up against the extremists. They are near dhimmis themselves.
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Churchill's speech has a context. The Ottoman Empire wasn't on our side during World War II. And after how the Middle East was reconfigured to suit BP (British Petroleum) at the beginning of the 20th century, it's a wonder that the Allies had any friends in the Middle East at all.
That doesn't diminish his words one bit.
Just as the ages haven't diminished their holy koran's words.
The bible and all it's iterations, faiths, followings have evolved and changed. We are not required to follow the distasteful and objectionable parts of it. We can choose not to obey the things we disagree with.
However, the islamic faith requires it's faithful to follow the most current iterations of it's passages to the letter. And those include the murderous fanatical writings they are putting into practice now.
Why the moderates don't follow it is their issue. But I'll be vigilant of them.
To not be vigilant is folly. If you think that's irrational, then so be it. I do not feel it is.
How about explaining just how that formula is not a great one for defeat? Do you remember how much trouble FDR had to go to just to overcome the thinking of the Congress of the early 40s? I think he finally set up the Pacific Fleet for the December 7, 1941 attack to get the people of this country ready to get us into that little war. Hauling those ships into harbor every Friday was certainly a great formula for that defeat. I wonder why the carriers were always at sea on the weekends.
How about rogerbacon making a substantive comment instead of a snarky one? You want me to make substantive arguments, but give the non-substantive remarks of your cohorts a pass. I'll respond substantively, when the posts to me are in the same vein.
And I think I've made a great case for my argument. Not all Muslims are our enemy. In any conflict, there is a need to identify our allies, and to identify our enemies. If you don't know who the enemy is, and make everyone into an enemy, then that would be a formula for failure. Especially when you decide to wage war on a religion. Never a good idea.
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