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"A Justice Department investigation into improper political fund-raising activities has uncovered evidence that representatives of the People's Republic of China sought to direct contributions from foreign sources to the Democratic National Committee before the 1996 presidential campaign, officials familiar with the inquiry said. Sensitive intelligence information shows that the Chinese Embassy on Connecticut Avenue NW here was used for planning contributions to the DNC, the sources said. Some information was obtained through electronic eavesdropping conducted by federal agencies."
"A Justice Department investigation into improper political fund-raising activities has uncovered evidence that representatives of the People's Republic of China sought to direct contributions from foreign sources to the Democratic National Committee before the 1996 presidential campaign, officials familiar with the inquiry said. Sensitive intelligence information shows that the Chinese Embassy on Connecticut Avenue NW here was used for planning contributions to the DNC, the sources said. Some information was obtained through electronic eavesdropping conducted by federal agencies."
La Raza or the NAACP are not political parties. They are influence groups and that's not the same thing.
Justices routinely address interest groups, such as the VFW or NRA, but they don't routinely attend planning sessions for the next election with a poltical party. Nor should they.
Koch industries is not a political party either. Thank you for illustrating that there is no difference in Justices attending a meeting like the one put together by Koch Industries and some hedge fund managers as meeting with other special interest groups.
If you think these types of meetings are exclusive to Conservatives and Republicans you would be both incorrect and naive.
Take a more discerning look at the activities of George Soros, Warren Buffet (documented in his biography Snowball), Bill Gates, etc.... and you will find that "Democrat" groups of the wealthy and influential have been similarly meeting. In fact, meeting such as these have been going on for more than 100 yrs, both in the US and abroad.
Here's a story about another gathering of the Republican uber-rich. That in itself is not remarkable as the Koch's have been funding these things for years.
What's interesting is this from page 2 of the article:
"...And he notes that previous guests have included Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas of the Supreme Court, Gov. Haley Barbour and Gov. Bobby Jindal, Senators Jim DeMint and Tom Coburn, and Representatives Mike Pence, Tom Price and Paul D. Ryan..."
Why are Supreme Court justices involved in planning sessions for either political party? What business do they have involving themselves in partisan politics?
Maybe they are planning what to do if Obama tells more lies at the State of the Union speech next Jan.
What would be the Constitutional alternative? Or, are you among those who belive the Constitution really is just something of a bother when it allows things you don't like to happen?
The alternative is you make sure laws passed will stand up to constitutional muster so they dont get challenged to begin with.
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Congress is the representatives of The People. So are "special interest" groups. If they put their heads together to craft a bill for Congress to consider, the Constitutional principles have not been violated.
Actually they were never inteded to represent "the people" Senate was intended to represent the states, which is why they were not elected positions.
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If the Supreme Court gets involved in crafting legislation, on which they may have to rule, they have violated the principle of the separation of powers and should be impeached.
If they crafted legislation and then have to rule on that same legislation, they are to excuse themself from voting. That isnt tos ay they shouldnt take part in writing the legislation. Unless you can list an example of one crafting legislation and then voting on it.. Simply helping to write legislation is NOT an impeachable offense, despite your wishes that it be one.
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IfI find it difficult to understand how anyone can defend the presence of Supreme Court Justices at a partisan, political planning session. I'm guessing that had the DNC invited Justices to help them plan the next election, the outrage from the right would be palpable.
The question would come into play IF and WHEN they would have to VOTE on the bill. Up until that time, they have the right imposed to them under the very same Constitution they are entrusted to enforce.
Check out how FDR stacked the Supreme Court for his own advantage.
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Ah, now the left hates freedom of assocation as well.
Of course.. And when that isnt enough, they have to create fake lies that imaginary actions are taking place that arent.
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I guess you wouldn't have any problem if the SC judges
attended an American Nazi Party planning meeting either
then
I might have a problem with it, but there is nothing I can do to stop it from taking place.
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"Liberals" are anything BUT Nazi/Fascist's.
On the contrary, this is one example of you wanting to limit their rights afforded to them.
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What's this got to do with Supreme Court Justices involved in partisan, political planning?
Actually it would involve writing legal legislation which would require legal experts to take part in..
I'm generally no big fan of the Huffington Post, but the author of this article put his finger on the problem with Supreme Court Justices being involved in partisan politics:
The alternative is you make sure laws passed will stand up to constitutional muster so they dont get challenged to begin with.
Actually they were never inteded to represent "the people" Senate was intended to represent the states, which is why they were not elected positions.
If they crafted legislation and then have to rule on that same legislation, they are to excuse themself from voting. That isnt tos ay they shouldnt take part in writing the legislation. Unless you can list an example of one crafting legislation and then voting on it.. Simply helping to write legislation is NOT an impeachable offense, despite your wishes that it be one.
The question would come into play IF and WHEN they would have to VOTE on the bill. Up until that time, they have the right imposed to them under the very same Constitution they are entrusted to enforce.
Check out how FDR stacked the Supreme Court for his own advantage.
Of course.. And when that isnt enough, they have to create fake lies that imaginary actions are taking place that arent.
I might have a problem with it, but there is nothing I can do to stop it from taking place.
On the contrary, this is one example of you wanting to limit their rights afforded to them.
Actually it would involve writing legal legislation which would require legal experts to take part in..
Can you name one, single, solitary instance of a Supreme Court Justice ever helping to write legislation while sitting on the bench?
It doesn't happen, hasn't happened and never should happen. An independent judiciary is the primary, first line of defense against tyranny. If that is gone, so are your liberties.
I don't know about everyone else, but the biggest donors to Republican causes inviting Justices and people like Glenn Beck to plan strategies makes me question just what IS their agenda. Apparently, it's not what they're saying publicly.
I'm generally no big fan of the Huffington Post, but the author of this article put his finger on the problem with Supreme Court Justices being involved in partisan politics:
Thats what your upset about? The planning meeting is HOW TO WIN FUTURE ELECTIONS. Nothing wrong with supreme court justices attending such strategy meetings.
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Can you name one, single, solitary instance of a Supreme Court Justice ever helping to write legislation while sitting on the bench?
I might not be able to list Supreme Court Justices helping to write legislation but that doesnt mean its never happened. In addition, this turns out not to be a legal strategy meeting but an ELECTION strategy meeting..
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It doesn't happen, hasn't happened and never should happen. An independent judiciary is the primary, first line of defense against tyranny. If that is gone, so are your liberties.
I bet it has happened but that doesnt mean your liberties are gone. It would be gone if they would RULE on those laws but YOU CANT LIST ONE EXAMPLE of that taking place.. CAN YOU?
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I don't know about everyone else, but the biggest donors to Republican causes inviting Justices and people like Glenn Beck to plan strategies makes me question just what IS their agenda. Apparently, it's not what they're saying publicly.
Um, their agendy is the same as Democrats.. Put forward a platform to cause people to vote for them. Do you think Democrats dont do the same?
There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with people attending strategy meetings on how to win elections. Supreme Court Justices, even presidents do it.. Heck, I've been to one.. More fake left wing outrage!!
Mmmmmmm you can't tell the difference between being a speaker and participating, yup we have a Democrat voter.
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Simply helping to write legislation is NOT an impeachable offense, despite your wishes that it be one.
