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Old 10-29-2010, 10:44 AM
 
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I know this is going to seem harsh for some. But no I do not support this kinda law. While being a bully is terrible. To try and regulate people like this is uncalled for

Plus I worry that it will create people that are soft. You've got to learn to handle problems. Kinda like handing out trophies to everyone that plays. I dont agree with that either.

Parents need to get back to being involved with raising their children. Teach them this is wrong but also teach people to be strong within themselves. This is the result of not parenting in my opinion
then why do adults have laws for personal protection? no one has answered that. at least you are an adult and stronger than a child, don't be so wimpy, alright?

also, you need to differentiate different forms of bullying. physical assault should be against the law. at least by middle school age, they ARE old enough to know what they are doing. i don't buy the excuse they don't because by that age they do.

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Comparing who people employ vs what products someone sells?

"i can tell you are a dishonest person. you will try to pick, twist or do anything to make or discredit"

Nice personal attack, you have no argument, you cannot counter my points, so you insult me.

no doubt, you are a liberal.
i did counter your nonsensical point. btw, for someone who is so flippant about bullying, you sure are a hypocrite regarding any slight to yourself. very interesting.

let me explain this as simply as possible though i know you were purposely being obtuse. hooters is a franchise that has a gimmick. it is based on "hooters" and men don't have them. do you understand? you are taking things out of context and grasping at any possible straw.

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keep on showing off that liberal tolerance, do you have any more insults for me because I dare to have a different opinion than you do?
this thread is very revealing. you are awfully sensitive about any or even slight or perceived insult to you yet you have the position that people should just be allowed to do as they wish. that's very contradictory to your position. amazing.
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Old 10-29-2010, 10:50 AM
 
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and you continue to purposely gloss over and deceive. we all know that life is not perfect or that bad things happen. that is not the issue. just because that exists, doesn't mean we just allow it to happen which is basically what you are advocating.

but i wonder, if someone were to break into your house or murdered a family member or if someone harassed you on this board even, if you would use the protections and rules in 'your' favor. don't need to answer as it's a foregone conclusion. lol

Considering he/she didn't report you for your personal attack, I guess the answer is he/she is able to deal with it and move on. I got an infraction yesterday for saying someone was shallow. Come on...really??? People need to buck up a little bit.

If all the social programs being pushed down the throats of our kids at school aren't preventing this why would some new law? Maybe parents should be allowed to have a say in the lives of their own kids again, teach them that there will always be bad people and we need to strive to be better people. remember that with the new age...give EVERY kid a trophy attitude...the bullies are getting trophys too. They have no impetus to improve, they are already rewarded.
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Old 10-29-2010, 10:52 AM
 
Location: California
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Is it any wonder why society continues to be so rotten? Some think that harassment is a good character builder.
It's part of life, it always has been. How will a law stop a personality trait?
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Old 10-29-2010, 10:56 AM
 
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Considering he/she didn't report you for your personal attack, I guess the answer is he/she is able to deal with it and move on. I got an infraction yesterday for saying someone was shallow. Come on...really??? People need to buck up a little bit.

If all the social programs being pushed down the throats of our kids at school aren't preventing this why would some new law? Maybe parents should be allowed to have a say in the lives of their own kids again, teach them that there will always be bad people and we need to strive to be better people. remember that with the new age...give EVERY kid a trophy attitude...the bullies are getting trophys too. They have no impetus to improve, they are already rewarded.
unbelievable. i already addressed this in a previous post which is bullying is not the same as disagreement or even insults.

there has to be some realism and practicality.

it's about extremes. it's called common sense.

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It's part of life, it always has been. How will a law stop a personality trait?
it's about penalties for actions, not one's personality. and no, you can't excuse actions which are against the law by saying it's a part of or outcome of your inner traits or personality.

this thread and most of the responses is just surreal.
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Old 10-29-2010, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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unbelievable. i already addressed this in a previous post which is bullying is not the same as disagreement or even insults.

there has to be some realism and practicality.

it's about extremes. it's called common sense.
So insulting a gay person isn't bullying them, or do you have qualification to your rule? Insulting certain people is bullying, but insulting others is not?
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Old 10-29-2010, 10:59 AM
 
Location: South Fla
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then why do adults have laws for personal protection? no one has answered that. at least you are an adult and stronger than a child, don't be so wimpy, alright?

also, you need to differentiate different forms of bullying. physical assault should be against the law. at least by middle school age, they ARE old enough to know what they are doing. i don't buy the excuse they don't because by that age they do.



i did counter your nonsensical point. btw, for someone who is so flippant about bullying, you sure are a hypocrite regarding any slight to yourself. very interesting.

let me explain this as simply as possible though i know you were purposely being obtuse. hooters is a franchise that has a gimmick. it is based on "hooters" and men don't have them. do you understand? you are taking things out of context and grasping at any possible straw.



this thread is very revealing. you are awfully sensitive about any or even slight or perceived insult to you yet you have the position that people should just be allowed to do as they wish. that's very contradictory to your position. amazing.
What laws do we have for protection? We should have laws that no one can assault another person. I dont know any law that says you cant prank someone or you cant tease someone. I would also like to think adults are past that behavior.

Many children have grown up with bullies and are fine. It teaches you character but you need parents to teach you how to handle it.
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Old 10-29-2010, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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What laws do we have for protection? We should have laws that no one can assault another person. I dont know any law that says you cant prank someone or you cant tease someone. I would also like to think adults are past that behavior.

Many children have grown up with bullies and are fine. It teaches you character but you need parents to teach you how to handle it.

parents? Parents teach?

in 2010?
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Old 10-29-2010, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I know this is going to seem harsh for some. But no I do not support this kinda law. While being a bully is terrible. To try and regulate people like this is uncalled for

Plus I worry that it will create people that are soft. You've got to learn to handle problems. Kinda like handing out trophies to everyone that plays. I dont agree with that either.

Parents need to get back to being involved with raising their children. Teach them this is wrong but also teach people to be strong within themselves. This is the result of not parenting in my opinion
Agreed. Sadly, our children are now being coddled to such an extent that they will lack adequate coping skills as adults. A few years ago, my son’s school instituted a policy prohibiting teachers from using red pens to mark incorrect answers on tests, because they didn’t want to “traumatize” the students. Mind you, this was at the high school level.

While I certainly don’t condone bullying, I don’t believe enacting a law is the answer. If a child is physically attacked, it is then considered assault and battery, not simple bullying. We already have laws to protect against that.
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Old 10-29-2010, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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Agreed. Sadly, our children are now being coddled to such an extent that they will lack adequate coping skills as adults. A few years ago, my son’s school instituted a policy prohibiting teachers from using red pens to mark incorrect answers on tests, because they didn’t want to “traumatize” the students. Mind you, this was at the high school level.

While I certainly don’t condone bullying, I don’t believe enacting a law is the answer. If a child is physically attacked, it is then considered assault and battery, not simple bullying. We already have laws to protect against that.

When I finished up elementary school in 1986, it was about the time where they were trying to get rid of competitive sports at that age level, the "everybody wins!" stuff, taking away any and all competitive advantage had just started.. Fortunately that didn't happen in high school. We were allowed to have teams that were allowed to win games.. But I cannot imagine what's going on in elementary schools where they can only play games where there are no losers.
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Old 10-29-2010, 11:06 AM
 
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So insulting a gay person isn't bullying them, or do you have qualification to your rule? Insulting certain people is bullying, but insulting others is not?
if you disagree with it, that is not bullying. if you stalk them to harass them about it, then that is bullying.

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I dont know any law that says you cant prank someone or you cant tease someone.
excuse me, i never said that. it's clear in the previous posts, i made a differentiation. these responses are very cognitive dissonance. but i find it dishonest to just pool every type of assault under 'bullying' and pretending it's just all a prank or just some teasing when bullying can include stalking and many forms of physical assault.

i am done with this subject. the responses are amazingly surreal like i'm in the twilight zone. the level of cognitive dissonance, twisting and dishonesty is something one can't argue with.
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