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Old 11-09-2010, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Originally Posted by NSHL10 View Post
Again, companies will hire people when there is enough demand to justify the expense of hiring more people. More expenses (like taxes) will require more demand be present to justify hiring more workers.

If demand is high enough to offset the higher expense of increased taxes, it probably wouldn't effect hiring more workers.

Unfortunately, right now there isn't a great deal of demand for products in most businesses so even minimal increases in expenses make it less likely for the business to hire more people.
Let me fix this for you.

If demand is high enough to offset the higher expense of increased healthcare benefit expenses, it probably wouldn't effect hiring more workers.
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Old 11-09-2010, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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Drats, those conservative Blue Dogs
Now imagine HR676 Universal Healthcare for ALL with NO PROFIT margin, PATIENTS come first, oh the horror

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9n21d3n5j8
You really don't think that segments of our economy aren't directly profiting from O'care? Hahaha!!!! How quickly some forget that sweet deal Obama made with Pharma. Go on, keep deluding yourself into thinking that your elected officials are acting on YOUR behalf and not those of their lobbyist and special interest friends.

The very things you rail for are the very reasons why UHC is just a bad idea here in the US. The government doesn't have to operate in any fiscally responsible way and can run deficits as high as the eye can see. They aren't beholden to implement cost controls when they can just print and borrow more money. Businesses don't have that luxury.

Oh and thanks for finally pointing it out that it was the Blue Dog Democrats that killed your precious UHC for all. Last I checked, no Blue Dog Dem was a member of the Tea Party, and ALL of them are DEMOCRATS. So stop spreading lies and BS and go complain to the members of your own party for not granting your UHC wishes.
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Old 11-09-2010, 09:45 PM
 
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I pay for my own insurance. Speak for yourself, please. Nevermind. Your opinion is probably the opinion of "most americans" who "all agree" with "whatever I say" today. Great post, OP. I know you're working hard on the reverse troll thing. Make 'em think your message is so off, that the only thing they have left is....Obama. You just can't beat that.

Please post link that shows that Dems make insurance harder to afford.
Thanks.
First I wasnt talking to you and second.. Is the CBO objective enough for you?

http://www.jct.gov/publications.html...3672&no_html=1

I'm sure you will just ignore it though, it doesnt fit int your preconceived notiong...
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Old 11-09-2010, 09:48 PM
 
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Obamacare hasn't changed the trend though.
Actually it has.. the CBO projected HIGHER costs due to Obamacare than without them.
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Ins rates will rise, no surprise, they have been for quite some time. Some information may help people, rather than wild speculation and individual "observations".

Workers' health insurance costs for 2011 include higher premiums and co-payments
And Obamacare is responsible for making them rise FASTER.. No surprise though you just dont comprehend...
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Were your rates going down the last few years? Mine sure weren't
And again, they will rise FASTER with Obamacare than without it.. Thats per the CBO..

Seriously, how difficult is this for liberals to comprehend?

Again.. http://www.jct.gov/publications.html...3672&no_html=1
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Old 11-09-2010, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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No, they weren't going down, but this year was a 16% increase.
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Were your rates going down the last few years? Mine sure weren't

It's not like the Health Insurance Companies only started to screw us when "Obamacare" passed. It's just a convenient excuse for employers and Insurers.

Rates have been rising every year for decades. Insurers have a long history of denying every claim they can… there's a reason Healthcare Insurance companies make billions and billions a year, and it's not because they like to pay out.

President Obama's healthcare reform is far from perfect, in my opinion, it didn't go far enough. "Mandates" without a public option was doomed from the start, and lead times on new laws just gave Insurers extra time to extra-screw everyone they could before they have to start complying with the new regs.

The bad economy is making things worse. Many companies, including my wife's employer, a large Ivy League College, are cutting benefits and raising costs to trim the College's budget. This comes after a few rounds of layoffs, early retirements, reorganizations, etc.

It has nothing to do with Obamacare, but the number of times I've heard the phrase… "Yeah, my health insurance went up, Thanks Obama" is startling.
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Old 11-10-2010, 02:12 AM
 
Location: Northeast PA
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As I've said before, as a veteran of this country's military, if the VA healthcare system is good enough for me, it's certainly good enough for the civilian population. If it isn't, then why don't veterans have the same god damn quality of care afforded by the "private sector?"

Republicans offered similar universal healthcare coverage in the early 1990s to what has been proposed in recent times by the Democrats. REPUBLICRATS. And the supporters of both sides are nothing more than obstructionists and parasites.

Why don't you everyday, ordinary people actually start seeing through the fog of propaganda and wake the **** up to what's going on here? Are you capable and coherent? Or is this country so hypnotized by political rhetoric and corporate fascism?
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Old 11-10-2010, 02:54 AM
 
Location: Earth
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My health insurance premiums have gone up every year since I've been employed, that's over 3 decades.

Another attempt to blame Obama for everything.
My premiums increased every year under Bush, too.

What a ridiculous premise.
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Old 11-10-2010, 05:13 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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My health insurance premiums have gone up every year since I've been employed, that's over 3 decades.

Another attempt to blame Obama for everything.
My premiums increased every year under Bush, too.

What a ridiculous premise.
My car Insurance went up because of this blasted HC Law. So did my internet/cable bill. Oh, and my favorite Golf Course greens fees. It's despicable, I tell ya!
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Old 11-10-2010, 05:40 AM
 
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I have no plan now... Cobra for my wife and myself in 2006 would of cost me nearly $1600.00 a month which wasn't in the budget.Now we will have to pay the penality of 2.5% of our income should tell you that the cost of his plan will be far greater.I pay as i go and this Ocare is going to make me cut back on my medical services and meds... thanks.
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Old 11-10-2010, 05:48 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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I have no plan now... Cobra for my wife and myself in 2006 would of cost me nearly $1600.00 a month which wasn't in the budget.Now we will have to pay the penality of 2.5% of our income should tell you that the cost of his plan will be far greater.I pay as i go and this Ocare is going to make me cut back on my medical services and meds... thanks.
Then I assume you are eager for 2014 to get here. You will then have plans to choose from that are affordable, and depending on you income, premium assistance will be available.
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