American's hatred of poor people (soldiers, March, economy, financial)

[JazzyTallGuy]

Originally Posted by NomadRefugee

That's not what i've seen. I posted another thread about how maybe billionares should help out poor people more, and I got verbally assaulted by about 20 people.

The prevailing mentality I’ve seen on CD is cut taxes for the rich and cut spending on the poor.

[JazzyTallGuy]

Originally Posted by Minethatbird

Possibly because many are sick and tired of liberals insisting they know how to spend everyone's money better than they do.

If they are so money smart why aren't they billionaires?

Actually so-called liberal states tend to be better educated and have higher incomes than people in Conservative states.

Income per capita
Ten highest state/districts
District of Columbia - $55,994.23
Connecticut - $47,886.26
Massachusetts - $44,182.11
New Jersey - $43,900.93
Maryland - $41,929.24
New York - $40,272.29
New Hampshire - $38,590.32
Virginia - $38,472.59
Colorado - $38,020.21
Minnesota - $37,314.34

Ten lowest states/districts
Louisiana - $21,439.21
Mississippi - $25,817.78
Arkansas - $27,152.87
West Virginia - $27,217.90
New Mexico - $27,634.02
Utah - $28,107.96
Idaho - $28,123.37
South Carolina - $28,496.27
Kentucky - $28,578.34
Alabama - $29,397.03



There are plenty of liberal billionaires

John Doerr, the world’s wealthiest venture capitalist opposed Proposition 23.

Irwin Jacobs, founder and Chairman of Qualcomm

Julian Robertson - Hedge fund manager and opposed California's Proposition 23 which received funding from the Koch brothers leading conservative supporters and owners of an oil and gas company.

Nicolas Berggruen - founder and President of Berggruen Holdings, a private investment company and the Nicolas Berggruen Institute, a political think tank. Invest in alternative energy and inner city economic development.

George Soros - Hedge fund billionaire and found of Center of American Progress and supporter of Move On.org and Media Matters

Herb and Marion Sandler - founders of Pro Publica

Ted Turner - Big time environmentalist

David Rockefeller Jr. -Philamtropist and supporter of numerous liberal causes and a big time conservationist.

Peter Lewis, - the chairman of Progressive insurance company, donated more than $63m in the 2004 election cycle to organizations seeking to defeat George W. Bush.

Eric Schmidt - CEO of Google and Obama campaign supporter.

Mortimer B. Zuckerman - is chairman and editor in chief of U.S. News & World Report. A former Obama supporter who has become critical recently of President Obama.

Warren Buffett - Obama supporter and campaign contributor. Called for raising taxes on the richest Americans.

Stanley Druckemmillar - Worked with George Soros prior to opening his own hedge fund. A major contributor to the Harlem project.

Eli Broad - Major contributor to Detroit Public schools. The business school at Michigan State University is named after him. Big time art and education philantropist.

Howard Schultz - The CEO and leading shareholders of Starbucks is contributes heavily to Democratic candidates and known for the benefits he gives employees. He was also an Obama contributor

Penny Pritzker - Hotel and real estate heiress and prominent Chicago liberal fundraiser led the national fundraising campaign for Barack Obama's presidential bid.



Party of the rich | Washington Examiner (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/Examiner-Opinion-Zone/Party-of-the-rich-103092754.html - broken link)

Wealthy Individuals Voted for Obama: CNN reported about election 2008: “High income voters — those who said they make at least $100,000 a year –went in Obama’s favor, 52 percent to 47 percent.”
Wealthy Counties Voted for Obama: American’s richest county, Loudoun County, Va., voted Obama 54-46, thus being more Democratic than the rest of Va. and the nation (which were both 53% Obama). Fairfax, Va., the nation’s second-wealthiest county, voted 60% Obama.
Wealthy States Voted for Obama: The three wealthiest states — Maryland, Connecticut, and New Jersey, all voted overwhelmingly for Obama.

Kristin Brown at the Fox News America's Election HQ blog writes that 7 of the top 10 riches Congressmen/Senators are Democrats, and have been for some time

[HappyTexan]

Call off the War on Drugs and stop rebuilding mosques all over the world.
Stop giving countries money for guns and bombs.

That should provide enough to take better care of the poor.

[JazzyTallGuy]

Originally Posted by Mircea

That's right. I would also add "totally useless."



After 5 decades of helping the "poor," the "poor" are still "poor."

What's up with that?

What's up with poverty is that is there have been significant improvements in the nations poverty level in the past 50 years.

In 1959 there were about 176.557 million people in the United States and about 39.490 million were below the poverty level or 22.4%.

In 2009 there were about 303.820 million people and about 43.43.569 million people below the povertry level or 14.3%. The years with the lowest poverrty levels were 1973 and 2000 with both at 11.3%.

Poverty has steadily increased in the United States since 2001.


Bush 43
Americans Below The Poverty Level
2001 - 32.907 million 2008 - 39.829 million - increase 21.04%

Overall Population Growth
2001 - 281.475 million 2008 - 301.041 million - increase 6.95%

During the Bush 43 Administration poverty INCREASED three times faster than rate of population growth.

[JazzyTallGuy]

Originally Posted by andrea3821

I think the taxpayers are the ones being nickeled and dimed. Just to clarify your post, poor people don't generally own houses and therefore do not pay property taxes. Rent has nothing to do with property taxes unless it's a commercial property. They pay some sales tax (even their food-related sales tax is written off if they have EBT) and they pay some fees to maintain a driver's license and car registration, if they have a vehicle. They might pay gas tax not to mention cigarette and alcohol taxes (hopefully not). That's abut it.

I guess you never invested in real estate. In order for a investor to clear a profit on his or her rental property the property tax cost are factored into the rental price.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by Bill Keegan

It's with people who think like this that most of us disagree. I should have every right to pick & choose who & even IF I want to help. As should every person who has the wherewithal to help others.

"People" who think like this? Why attack the person? Why not just disagree with the idea?

You do have that "right" to pick and choose with your own private money. However, if that was our entire safety net, a lot of people would be left on the streets to die. That's why we need tax supported services as well.

[jertheber]

Originally Posted by Chuckity

I don't hate poor people.

I dislike people who game the system.

I also don't care for people who have entitlement issues.

But I really can't stand people who want to take more of the money I work for and give it to either of the groups of people I mentioned above.

Of course we all can disdain the folks who "game" us, and I also don't care for those with an "entitlement mentality", and worst of all is those people who take our hard earned money and give it to those who don't work hard, you know, the banksters that our government just bailed out, I don't blame you for hating on their entitlement mentality at all, maybe some day they'll also stop gaming us for those tax dollars that their friends in government have so willingly bestowed on them.......

[janelle144]

This is a silly thread. Most Americans DO NOT hate the poor, most families have the poor related to them.

My FIL and his wife were on medicade for years. We helped them get services and they were helped. I think my MIL got so many health services it would have equaled a million dollars on the free market. She had every operation you could think of.

Most families see poor in their families so no one hates them.

[Quick Enough]

Originally Posted by NomadRefugee

That's not what i've seen. I posted another thread about how maybe billionares should help out poor people more, and I got verbally assaulted by about 20 people.

That's NOT what you said. You said, "Is there any reason why one individual should have a billion dollars?". Then you went on and on on how those that have the money should be forced to give it to those you feel should have it. That's not help, that's stealing.

[henrjam]

Originally Posted by SourD

If they simply CAN'T do it, they are a great subject for social Darwinism.

So, what does that mean concretaly, what does that imply ?