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Originally Posted by burdell
Get a clue! The 4th Amendement specifically references the rights of people to be secure in their houses and has nothing to do with the TSA and/or flying, which BTW is mentioned NO WHERE in the Constitution.
The 4th Amendment
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
As you can see ... The 4th Amendment isn't just about unreasonable searches in our homes. Maybe a US Government class might be a good idea.
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The 4th Amendment
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
As you can see ... The 4th Amendment isn't just about unreasonable searches in our homes. Maybe a US Government class might be a good idea.
I'm not hallucinating, I see it has NOTHING to do with submitting to a voluntary search to enjoy the privilege of flying somewhere.
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So? Where does it say these procedures were directly devised/imposed by Obama/Clinton as you've implied?
He endorses these measures ... I'd have the same issues with Bush had he even so much as endorsed what the TSA is subjecting airline passengers to. This isn't partisan but the fact that he is not doing anything about this speaks volumes about what he thinks about average Americans. Frankly, I'm sick and tired of politicians enacting or endorsing laws that they never have to be subjected to.
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He endorses these measures ... I'd have the same issues with Bush had he even so much as endorsed what the TSA is subjecting airline passengers to. This isn't partisan but the fact that he is not doing anything about this speaks volumes about what he thinks about average Americans. Frankly, I'm sick and tired of politicians enacting or endorsing laws that they never have to be subjected to.
And just WHAT should he do? He's been told by the security people it's necessary, WHAT should he do? Go a level of security LESS THAN the security people say is needed?
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It most certainly is voluntary, not flying is the consequence of not volunteering.
For those who fly as a part of their jobs, who have family overseas, not flying isn't an option. These new TSA procedures amount to extortion, submit or don't fly!
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And just WHAT should he do? He's been told by the security people it's necessary, WHAT should he do? Go a level of security LESS THAN the security people say is needed?
Isn't partisan my arse
No ... I just want our politicians to follow the same laws and regulations that we common folks are required to follow. If these measures are essential to security as the TSA is claiming, then why were many of these scanners not in use yesterday, one of the busiest travel dates of the year? Sorry but I don't buy the fact that all this is even necessary.
Seriously, the average American is getting more radiation exposure from their cell phones and microwaves than from the airport scanner.
and unless these idiots are traveling by airplane every single day of their life, they are no way in danger to high levels of radiation.
yes, you get more exposure by simply using your cel phone and microwave ovens. All your electronics emit some type of radiation.
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The anti-scanner/TSA hysteria is off-the-charts....and of course this is translated into Obama hate speech (as is everything with these folks). Its to the point of random, irrational anti-Obama rants.
the hysteria of pat downs and scanning is ridiculous.
Next time you want to think about causing a scene at the airport because you think what they are doing to KEEP you safe while flying is denying your rights in some way, remember the 3000 people who died on 9/11 because our securtiy was so laxed that it allowed 19 hijackers to board and use airplanes as missiles
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