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Old 12-01-2010, 09:18 AM
 
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The problem is in red, bolded, and underlined in your post, quoted above. Obama only has one American citizen parent.

Those born on American soil are American citizens. Natural born American citizens also have TWO American citizen biological parents, and can be born abroad in some cases.
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:19 AM
 
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There is no need for Obama to prove his citizenship to every tom, dick and hary tin foil hat loony loon birther. He has done it already and its time we stop wasting taxpayer dollars on this worthless debate.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 09:20 AM
 
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There are only two forms of citizenship, natural born and naturalized
No. Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
Chief Justice's majority opinion:
"The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents."

It takes two U.S. citizen parents to be a natural born citizen.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 09:23 AM
 
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No. Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
Chief Justice's majority opinion:
"The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents."

It takes two U.S. citizen parents to be a natural born citizen.
Wrong.

If one parent is a US citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a natural born citizen if
  • the US citizen parent has been "physically present"[6] in the US before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and
  • at least two of those five years were after the US citizen parent's fourteenth birthday.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 09:23 AM
 
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Since he was born in Hawaii, does it even matter who his parents were? They could have been from Mars and Venus and he would still be an American
American citizen? Yes. Natural born American citizen? No.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 09:23 AM
 
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American citizenship? Yes. Natural born American citizen? No, as he was born owing allegiance to a foreign sovereign.
Unfortunately, your bias has blinded you to facts. The fact is, under English common law, which was the basis for the legal terms in the US Constitution, natural born was defined as something one was born into. In other words, if you were born a citizen, you are a natural born citizen. End of story.

This thing is the deadest horse out there, give it up. You lost. Repeating something over and over does not make it true.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 09:24 AM
 
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Because, unlike every other person who has wished to be president he has gone far beyond anything anyone else has had to go in order to do so. He has provided for the world to see his certificate of live birth, the state of custodian of those records have verified that he was born in Hawaii on the correct day, year and place. The report of the state custodian of birth records has been verified by the governor of the state.

WTFM is required. (please note that the absence of a question mark at the end of that sentence is not a mistake)
Really he released his long form birth certificate that could put and end to this? Dang I didnt know he did that can you show it to me?

What is the problem with every single person running for president proving they are eligible to be president? So we never have these doubts again? I dont see the issue with that.

Also again why do you think the grandfather clause was put in the Constitution?
 
Old 12-01-2010, 09:24 AM
 
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American citizen? Yes. Natural born American citizen? No.

Wrong. ANYONE born on US soil is a citizen even if their parents are ILLEGAL. 14th Amendment...look it up.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 09:25 AM
 
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Really he released his long form birth certificate that could put and end to this? Dang I didnt know he did that can you show it to me?

What is the problem with every single person running for president proving they are eligible to be president? So we never have these doubts again? I dont see the issue with that.

Yes he did. He dosen't need to show it to you. What are you, a Senator?
 
Old 12-01-2010, 09:27 AM
 
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Unfortunately, your bias has blinded you to facts. The fact is, under English common law, which was the basis for the legal terms in the US Constitution, natural born was defined as something one was born into. In other words, if you were born a citizen, you are a natural born citizen. End of story.
Interesting that... English law states Obama was born a British subject.
British Nationality Act 1948
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