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Old 12-01-2010, 09:34 AM
 
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Originally Posted by nycwind View Post
Obama is an American...to heck with your British law and move to UK if you are such a big fan of their law. There is no such thing as a British subject anymore.
Obama was born in 61, i.e. two years after Hawaii became a US state, right?

 
Old 12-01-2010, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Heart of Oklahoma
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Originally Posted by Jadex View Post
Notice your post are referring to parentS as in more then 1
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
  • Anyone born inside the United States *
  • Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
  • Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
  • Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
  • Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
  • Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
  • Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years
  • A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
I'm sure he falls into one of these categories...
 
Old 12-01-2010, 09:34 AM
 
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Interesting that... English law states Obama was born a British subject.
British Nationality Act 1948

So maybe he was born with the right to adopt British citizenship. Big whoop. I am not going to read the British Nationality Act of 1948 to pick out relevent passages though, you do it if you'd like to try to argue a point. That has zero to do with US law and the US constitution. The only British law that is relevent to this subject are the terms and customs in use at the time of the adoption of the US Constitution.

Don't you have something more constructive to do than repeatedly go over this hogwash? Are you getting paid to post this stuff? It wouldn't surprise me actually.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 09:38 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by nycwind View Post
Wrong.




If one parent is a US citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a natural born citizen if
  • the US citizen parent has been "physically present"[6] in the US before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and
  • at least two of those five years were after the US citizen parent's fourteenth birthday.
Incorrect. What you are citing addresses citizenship, not natural born citizen status.

Adding the words 'natural born' on your own (I looked at the linked website; you altered the words and the meaning of the citation) does not make it so.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 09:38 AM
 
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The problem is in red, bolded, and underlined in your post, quoted above. Obama only has one American citizen parent.

Those born on American soil are American citizens. Natural born American citizens also have TWO American citizen biological parents, and can be born abroad in some cases.

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Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
  • Anyone born inside the United States *
  • Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
  • Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
  • Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
  • Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
  • Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
  • Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years
  • A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
I'm sure he falls into one of these categories...
Reposting for [mis]informed.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 09:38 AM
 
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Tell that to the Japanese tourist that gives birth prematurely while visting New York. Are you going to tell the parent their child is NOT a Japanese citizen??? What if they don't want their kid to be an American?
Its their choice...but they would have to forfeit US citizenship for their child. Can't have both.

According to your logic, EVERY AMERICAN is not a citizen.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 09:41 AM
 
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So maybe he was born with the right to adopt British citizenship. Big whoop. I am not going to read the British Nationality Act of 1948 to pick out relevent passages though, you do it if you'd like to try to argue a point.
Not just 'the right to adopt,' an actual British subject. And it's a shame that you can't be bothered to read it because if you had, you would have seen that Obama was born a British subject.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 09:42 AM
 
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The birfers' fearless (and witless) leader, Orly Taitz, per the Federal Court of the Middle District of Georgia:

"The Court finds that counsel's conduct was willful and not merely negligent. It demonstrates bad faith on her part. As an attorney, she is deemed to have known better. She owed a duty to follow the rules and to respect the Court. Counsel's pattern of conduct conclusively establishes that she did not mistakenly violate a provision of law. She knowingly violated Rule 11. Her response to the Court's show cause order is breathtaking in its arrogance and borders on delusional. She expresses no contrition or regret regarding her misconduct. To the contrary, she continues her baseless attacks on the Court."

Birds of a feather.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 09:43 AM
 
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Not just 'the right to adopt,' an actual British subject. And it's a shame that you can't be bothered to read it because if you had, you would have seen that Obama was born a British subject.

There is no such thing as a British Subject. Next.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 09:44 AM
 
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Originally Posted by proudvoterofObama View Post
Reposting for [mis]informed.
Again... Citizen? Yes. Natural born citizen? No. Read the SCOTUS decision I cited.
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