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Old 12-01-2010, 10:29 AM
 
Location: South Fla
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Originally Posted by HistorianDude View Post
More Birther illiteracy.

If you have multiple unrelated children, each with a single citizen parent, then "citizen parents" must be plural.

Duh.
Nice try

 
Old 12-01-2010, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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No. Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
Chief Justice's majority opinion:
"The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents."
So far so good.

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It takes two U.S. citizen parents to be a natural born citizen.
Darn... you were doing so well.

1. Since "children" is plural, "parents" must be plural, even if every single one of the children only have a single citizen parent.

2. You seem to have missed the second definition of natural-born citizen in that paragraph. Here, let me point it out for you: "[C]hildren born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents."

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Old 12-01-2010, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Nice try
The truth is always a nice try.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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How do you "lose" when you never get a turn at bat??
When you're benched for being a really, really, really bad ball player.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Northeast
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I am a citizen of this country have you forgot who he works for? Do you think a senator is more important then citizens?


If he does not have to follow the Constitution that he took an oath to uphold who does then?

Do you not think we should follow the Constitution?

You are whats wrong with this country
Yeah what's wrong with this Country when people can not accept that a black man is the POTUS without being chased around for years for his Birth Certificate he already provided.

Don't worry Obama has done the same thing that McCain or even a Bush third term would of done. The rich will get their tax cuts, the wars will carry on and the Corporations will have more control over your lives as in Health care reform and legal bribes. Full steam ahead
 
Old 12-01-2010, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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This:
That's not the Constitution.

Try again.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 10:38 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Maybe natural-born means not by Cesarean section
 
Old 12-01-2010, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Tell that to the Japanese tourist that gives birth prematurely while visting New York. Are you going to tell the parent their child is NOT a Japanese citizen???
Of course not. The child would still be a Japanese citizen. He/she would also be a natural born US citizen.

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What if they don't want their kid to be an American?
When their kid is an adult, he/she can surrender their American citizenship.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Its their choice...but they would have to forfeit US citizenship for their child. Can't have both.
Actually, yes. Can have both.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 10:45 AM
 
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Oh, what the hell... jumping in where he swore he would not go...

Two kinds of citizens.

U.S. Constitution.

Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868.

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States

United States v. Wong Kim Ark (No. 18) 1898
"Here is nothing to countenance the theory that a general rule of citizenship by blood or descent has displaced in this country the fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within its sovereignty."...
..."So far as we are informed, there is no authority, legislative, executive or judicial, in England or America, which maintains or intimates that the statutes (whether considered as declaratory or as merely prospective) conferring citizenship on foreign-born children of citizens have superseded or restricted, in any respect, the established rule of citizenship by birth within the dominion. Even those authorities in this country, which have gone the farthest towards holding such statutes to be but declaratory of the common law have distinctly recognized and emphatically asserted the citizenship of native-born children of foreign parents. 2 Kent Com. 39, 50, 53, 258 note; Lynch v. Clarke, 1 Sandf.Ch. 583, 659; Ludlam v. Ludlam, 26 N.Y. 356, 371.

Passing by questions once earnestly controverted, but finally put at rest by the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, it is beyond doubt that, before the enactment of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 or the adoption of the Constitutional [p675] Amendment, all white persons, at least, born within the sovereignty of the United States, whether children of citizens or of foreigners, excepting only children of ambassadors or public ministers of a foreign government, were native-born citizens of the United States.

V. In the forefront both of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution and of the Civil Rights Act of 1866, the fundamental principle of citizenship by birth within the dominion was reaffirmed in the most explicit and comprehensive terms.
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