Obama 11, Birthers 0 (lawyer, money, senator, work)

[ovcatto]

Originally Posted by proudvoterofObama

Reposting for [mis]informed.

You can go at this until Christ 3rd coming.

Suffice it to say that there are only two forms of citizenship, natural born or naturalized. Period.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by nycwind

There is no such thing as a British Subject. Next.

Good grief.

Here's a thought... educate yourself. Read the British Nationality Act of 1948:
British Nationality Act 1948

[Neuling]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

This:

Your quote addresses another issue. It addresses jus sanguinis, not jus soli Either one is enough to make you a natural born US citizen. Whether or not he was at the same time regarded a British citizen according to British jus sanguinis law is irrelevant. If his parents had been British diplomats, things might be different.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by ovcatto

You can go at this until Christ 3rd coming.

Suffice it to say that there are only two forms of citizenship, natural born or naturalized. Period.

Wow. Too bad a SCOTUS decision disproves that.

[legalsea]

The postings on threads like this make me realize that our Special Education system is deeply flawed.

[nycwind]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Good grief.

Here's a thought... educate yourself. Read the British Nationality Act of 1948:
British Nationality Act 1948

The British empire is dead. All laws are therefore null and void. Are all Americans still British subjects in your mind?

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by Neuling

Your quote addresses another issue. It addresses jus sanguinis, not jus soli Either one is enough to make you a natural born US citizen. Whether or not he was at the same time regarded a British citizen according to British law is irrelevant.

No. The SCOTUS decision is quite clear; it even refers to those born within the jurisdiction without regarding parents' citizenship status as 'citizens' only, not 'natural born' citizens.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by nycwind

The British empire is dead. All laws are therefore null and void. Are all Americans still British subjects in your mind?

You know, it really would help if you just read the British Nationality Act of 1948.
British Nationality Act 1948

Ignorance is not an excuse when you have info provided for you.

[Old Gringo]

Something tells me the birthers are going to start hating the scorekeeper pretty soon.

h8ers

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[Gary Siete]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

This:

The full discussion says that while children of 2 US citizens parents are definitely natural born there is debate over whether all children born in US, regardless of parents status, are also natural born. The judge says "For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts." In other words - the court did not rule on the natural born definition.

MINOR v. HAPPERSETT, 88 U.S. 162 (1874)

The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [88 U.S. 162, 168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.


Note: MINOR v. HAPPERSETT was about a woman's right to vote.