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I think there is a good bit of "buyer's remorse" developing. I know in Fla, the Govs approval rating is now at a blistering 35%. But, by all means, continue to pretend you don't see what's going on.
Yep, buyers remorse on the dems side....the repubs bought nothing....
You know what--you're right--they put it on a budget bill. I stand corrected. Still, if the Dem's were so worried about their vote, do you think they would have voted in support of it TWICE. The voting record is already there from the first time around if the R's want to use it as a campaign issue. I think the R's are playing a risky game with this, and I understand that they have to--the far end of the base is demanding it. They're gambling that the public won't like the provisions in two years, and they want to use it as an election platform. Two years is a long time--as the provisions open up and become more popular, they might find themselves a day late and a dollar short. I think that's what the Dem's are betting on.
The pregames have already started....some people like it and some don't, (I won't put up a %, because I don't know, unlike other people)
There won't be a bill if the SC gets it, but that's my opinion....
The pregames have already started....some people like it and some don't, (I won't put up a %, because I don't know, unlike other people)
There won't be a bill if the SC gets it, but that's my opinion....
I don't know if it's a done deal with the SC, but the odds are looking better for HCR to be upheld by them than you might think. In addition to the Wickard v Filburn case Jill61 cited above, in January the SC refused to hear another case (Alderman v. US) regarding whether Congress had over stepped it's authority under the Interstate Commerce Clause. Since the opponents of HCR are asking the court to impose strict limits on Congress's commerce clause power, many see this as a signal from the court that it's unwilling to expand on or examine what limits, if any, should apply to Congressional power under the Commerce clause. In fact--Scalia and Thomas--the only two who wanted to hear the case--wrote the following in their dissent:
“Today, the court tacitly accepts the nullification of our recent commerce clause jurisprudence,” Justice Clarence Thomas wrote in an eight-page dissent joined by Antonin Scalia.
Thomas said the lower court decision in the Alderman case “could very well remove any limit on the commerce power.”
Like I said, it's not a done deal, but I sure wouldn't count on the Supreme court ruling it unconstitutional.
Good I am glad it was shot down, now maybe the repubs will actually start caring about the unemployed and the economy but I sincerely doubt it. And I am sure the voting public will notice this too.
Please explain on what basis you think the Supreme Court will overturn 68 years of precedent and invalidate Wickard.
The same reason 2 other judges have said it is unconstitutional....
Wickard v. Filburn, 317 U.S. 111 (1942), was a U.S. Supreme Court decision that dramatically increased the power of the federal government to regulate economic activity. A farmer, Roscoe Filburn, was growing wheat to feed his chickens. The U.S. government had imposed limits on wheat production based on acreage owned by a farmer, in order to drive up wheat prices during the Great Depression, and Filburn was growing more than the limits permitted. Filburn was ordered to destroy his crops and pay a fine, even though he was producing the excess wheat for his own use and had no intention of selling it.
If you REALLY think this is the same as the health care being implemented...
Then you really need to re-think your thinking...
This is a useless comparison...
Good I am glad it was shot down, now maybe the repubs will actually start caring about the unemployed and the economy but I sincerely doubt it. And I am sure the voting public will notice this too.
Cause we know the dems have had a laser focus on jobs and the economy...
That's what the stimulus....was for right?......2 years later...still waiting...
Repeal of ObamaCare can't come soon enough -- as several damaging provisions are set to take effect this year.
For starters, it has effectively stopped the construction of physician-owned hospitals throughout the country.
Of course, patients may have trouble finding not just a hospital, but a doctor. A Physician's Foundation survey revealed that 40 percent of doctors plan to "drop out of patient care in the next one to three years." Sixty percent said ObamaCare will "compel them to close or significantly restrict their practices to certain categories of patients" -- typically those on Medicare or Medicaid.
Health reform will force many folks to give up their current insurance, too
Other measures kicking in are petty -- but punitive. For example, people can no longer use tax-free Health Savings Accounts on basic over-the-counter drugs. Instead, they must pay for a doctor's appointment -- and then get a prescription for a pricier pharmacist-dispensed drug.
"Plan to", in other words, they like to BS about it but they likely won't do anything when the time comes.
Or, pay for the OTC drugs themselves. You have no idea how insurance works if you think you can get around it like you have described. The ins. company will require you to try the OTC product first, and it may deny approval even if you say it didn't work.
"Plan to", in other words, they like to BS about it but they likely won't do anything when the time comes.
Well, then you live under a rock.
I have seen buildings stopped being constructed due to the above.
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Or, pay for the OTC drugs themselves. You have no idea how insurance works if you think you can get around it like you have described. The ins. company will require you to try the OTC product first, and it may deny approval even if you say it didn't work.
I guess you fail.
My post TELLS YOU to read about all those things in detail at the link.
Good I am glad it was shot down, now maybe the repubs will actually start caring about the unemployed and the economy but I sincerely doubt it. And I am sure the voting public will notice this too.
LOL.....you mean like how the Democrats cared so much for the last two years while America suffered?
The voting public also noticed how Democrats passed ObamaCare in SPITE of them saying NO.
The voting public DID notice that and threw them out.
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