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Sweet jeebus, where to start with this trainwreck?
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Originally Posted by Roadking2003
Yes, it does have bearing. We have had a "one man and one woman" definition of marriage for a long time. Now some people want to change the definition to "any two humans".
So, while we are changing the definition, why not liberalize it completely. Why not open up to plural marriage. Why not open up to marriage between a human and their pet.
Once again, because pets CANNOT be legal entities, just like minor children can't.
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Originally Posted by Roadking2003
...And who are you to make a rule that the pet has to be able to legally enter into a contract?????? Pets don't legally enter into a contract to be "owned" by a human either. But that does not mean they cannot be owned.
It's not a rule, it's the *law*. If one party of a contract or legal agreement is incapable of acting as their own legal entity, that contract/agreement ceases to be legally binding. This is really a pretty remedial concept to grasp here.
If your dog bites the neighbor, do they sue the dog or do they sue you?
Great, then you also have to remove any and all protections, benefits and responsibilities of being "married" from all laws.
That should be easy, right?
If that is what it takes for equality, then I am for it. Make heterosexual couples go to the same hassle and expense that same-sex couples have to with respect to protecting rights such as hospital visitation, inheritance planning etc.
Many people have said that gays should be allowed to be marry since as consenting adults who love each other they should have the same equal rights as heterosexual couples.
But with that logic, then shouldn't other non-traditional couples also be allowed to marry as well?
Here are some examples of couples who are not allowed to marry in any U.S. state but are nonetheless consenting adults who are in love and want to be together: Example 1 Example 2 Example 3
And then there are these couples who want to marry but it is illegal in about half the U.S. states: Example 4
(Some Law makers in the states where it is illegal are already attempting to legalize it.)
If the criteria is that any two people who love each other and are consenting adults can marry then there is no logical reason the above couples shouldn't be allowed to marry.
(Note that I am not saying that I endorse or condone such relationships. I am merely stating that the logic which supports gay marriage would also support these other non-traditional marriages as well if one is consistent.)
This isn't an argument. Comparing same sex marriage to incest is like comparing apples and oranges. I haven't read all of the posts but I'm sure someone has already compared it to beateality. If you're against same sex marriage, please stick to the topic at hand. Finally, keep your minds out of the gutter. What you think about on your own time is fine, but please don't bother us with your sick obsession. I don't know one member of a same sex couple who is into either of these.
We are sticking with the topic at hand by discussing incestual marriages.
Since the topic at hand is whether or not all consenting adults should be allowed to marry, which includes incestual relations.
Which, in my opinion, as long as they are of age of consent, and are consenting, then they should be allowed to marry.
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Originally Posted by momonkey
No, it's not me.
I didn't make gay sex unnatural.
Nature did that.
Please explain how.
Taking into effect that homosexual relations often occur in nature.
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When given the opportunity to have civil unions with equal benefits and rights to marriage, most gays will refuse it because that doesn't give them the social status of being married.
No, the reason why they refuse civil unions is that civil unions don't come with the same rights as marriage.
THe most logical conclusion to all of this is to abolish government recognition of marriage completely, as it has become a religious institution, and have everyone have a civil union instead. If you want to be recognized as married according to your religion, then that's between you and your religion.
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The unique benefit of being married is that the couple's relationship is defined as a marriage in the same way it has always been.
Please prove that marriage has always been 1 man and 1 woman.
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heterosexuals will never accept that this is taken from them no matter how noble the cause.
*raises hand* Married hetero here putting my full support behind homosexual, incest, and poly marriages.
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Originally Posted by Roadking2003
Why not open up to marriage between a human and their pet.
Because animals cannot give legal consent, as they are incapable mentally in doing so.
If that is what it takes for equality, then I am for it. Make heterosexual couples go to the same hassle and expense that same-sex couples have to with respect to protecting rights such as hospital visitation, inheritance planning etc.
Or, we could go the easier route of giving these benefits to same-sex and poly relationships. Purely because there are benefits and protections that a piece of paper can not duplicate - like FMLA.
Or, we could go the easier route of giving these benefits to same-sex and poly relationships. Purely because there are benefits and protections that a piece of paper can not duplicate - like FMLA.
Or, we could go the easier route of giving these benefits to same-sex and poly relationships. Purely because there are benefits and protections that a piece of paper can not duplicate - like FMLA.
Oh I agree. I posted as I did to show the idiocy of the thinking of some people... if they had to deal with the hassles that same-sex couples do, I am sure they would care much less about 2 males or 2 females getting married.
Ah, intelligent, well-spoken, seemingly well-adjusted children who stand up for what they believe and for their families' rights? Heaven help us!
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