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Old 02-08-2011, 05:40 PM
 
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What gives the right to one side over the other?
Teach both and let the students decide......what are you affraid of?
Teaching creationism as fact doesn't belong in tax-supported institutions like public schools. There is no evidence for creationism, so it definitely shouldn't be taught alongside evolution because that would be dishonest to the students. If we want to thrive as a nation and compete globally, we cannot allow the supernatural beliefs of some to override solid scientific principles. Our children deserve the opportunity to learn how to think rationally and critically.

 
Old 02-08-2011, 07:34 PM
 
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So you are saying someone/thing had to exist to cause the Big Bang? Something couldn't have just "existed". And this being is the Creator?

By the same logic, how could "the Creator" just exist? Who created the Creator?



That's why it's called the "first cause" and not simply a cause.

The alternative is that all which now exists spontaneously came into being from nothing and without a cause.
 
Old 02-08-2011, 07:35 PM
 
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Seriously asking, is this why folks who believe in creationism think it should be taught as science instead of religion? Because they believe evolution as taught in schools is promoting atheism?

I speak for myself.
 
Old 02-08-2011, 07:49 PM
 
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The real issue is ACCOUNTABILITY! -- As long as man remains randomly evolved from swamp gas (or whatever), he has no accountability to anyone or thing higher than himself. In other words, man can be his own 'god.'

But, if one acknowledges the truth of God's creation as revealed in God's Word, then man, as a created being ... must also acknowledge his own accountability to his creator and God.
That makes perfect sense. If people of your believes were to accept the idea of evolution, everything that sustains their concept of the world would be void.
 
Old 02-08-2011, 07:52 PM
 
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That's why it's called the "first cause" and not simply a cause.

The alternative is that all which now exists spontaneously came into being from nothing and without a cause.
Once again, some science teacher in the not so distant past failed to properly educate one their students.
 
Old 02-08-2011, 07:56 PM
 
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That's why it's called the "first cause" and not simply a cause.

The alternative is that all which now exists spontaneously came into being from nothing and without a cause.
Once again, some science teacher in the not so distant past failed to properly educate one their students.


Only creationist hold to the idea that there was nothing prior to the expansion of the universe, cosmologist on the other hand hold that the universe was so dense as to be the size of small ball until its density increased density triggered its expansion, explosions if you will. Some physicist contend that at some point the universe will again contract into another dense orb until again its own density will trigger yet another expansion a process that may go on forever. That is not something from nothing.
 
Old 02-08-2011, 08:12 PM
 
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"The entire basis of modern science, arrived at during the Middle Ages, is built upon finding an explanation for natural events without appealing to the Almighty - that is philosophy's role."


Save the dogma. In the Middle-Ages they didn't know a Big Bang (creation event) had happened apart from religion. They didn't understand mechanics, chemistry, biology, geology, astronomy or anything else we would consider "science".

Why not exclude nothing then see where the evidence takes us?

This biased approach is why evolution, as embraced by the public school system, is in fact the state endorsed religion of Atheism dressed up as science.

I am of the opinion that something caused the Big Bang (first cause). Whatever caused it to happen would seem to exist independently of time and space, and is by definition our Creator.


Can you address the question of first cause without sinning against your faith that no creator can possibly exists?
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Duh!

May be I should ask what part of "science" do you understand? But you managed to make an interesting point. Religion knew about big bang? Could you elaborate on what it knew about creation at the time and where it came from?

Religions generally advance creationism, but we didn't know the Universe was 13.75 billion years old and all matter, energy, space and time came into being in a single event and at one place until the last century.


Now I'll ask the question again.

Do you have an explanation as to why this may have happened such that a creative force independent of time, space, matter and energy would be ruled out?
 
Old 02-08-2011, 08:25 PM
 
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The "Big Bang" was not a creation event.



Source?


Easy answer: It's not.

It is embraced by the public school system because it is the single most powerful theory to explain the origin and diversity of life on earth. It has no serious competition, and is among the best confirmed theories in the history of science.

As Theodosius Dobzhansky wrote, "Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution."


He's entitled to his opinion, and apparently yours as well. The question of why is ignored like the elephant in the room. I'm a little more intellectually curious than that.


What would lead you to believe that the cause of the "Big Bang" was a first cause, rather than a 100th cause, or millionth cause, or infinite cause?


The number of causes doesn't matter, just that eventually we come to a first cause.


I sure can.

The universe is eternal and uncreated. There is no first cause. And the "Big Bang" is not the point where the universe began, it is merely the point at which the universe became as it is now.


Source?
 
Old 02-08-2011, 08:25 PM
 
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That is not something from nothing.
Why can't we accept that what we conceive as nothing just might be a " ????" that is beyond us to understand.
 
Old 02-08-2011, 08:45 PM
 
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Once again, some science teacher in the not so distant past failed to properly educate one their students.


Only creationist hold to the idea that there was nothing prior to the expansion of the universe, cosmologist on the other hand hold that the universe was so dense as to be the size of small ball until its density increased density triggered its expansion, explosions if you will. Some physicist contend that at some point the universe will again contract into another dense orb until again its own density will trigger yet another expansion a process that may go on forever. That is not something from nothing.

Cosmologist weren't there were they?


We know the Big Bang happened.

We know when and we know where.

Why is another question all together.
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