Tax the Rich! (conspiracy, Clinton, how much, Saddam)

[alphamale]

How about just saying "Thank you" to the rich for all of your societal benefits?

You're welcome!

[Mac_Muz]

Originally Posted by Winter_Sucks

Your post highlights the need for education reform.

What would that take More taxes?



Padcrasher i don't work that way and havent since 87'

I am a contracor now and deal with the govt cutting the hell out my taxes another way. I see no valid reason I should sweat and labor away for the Govt and it's ilk.
I live in a no sales tax state too, and I fight real hard to keep what's MINE.

By the time I get done the accounts get more than the Govt does. You won't find me feeding the system of spend and waste very often. No more W-2 and suck it for me.

I get to decide what i spend on and it ain't much. Then you wouldn't like my spending habits anyway since i buy guns. Guns are better than money in the bank.

I buy the right ones and they increase in value almost as much as gold has. And it's all TAX FREE

[hilgi]

It seems that many of you still don’t get it. If taxing 100% of every penny the rich earns doesn’t even cut the deficit in half, how will increasing their rate by 5 to 10% do it?

You are being conned. Tax government granted monopoly status, not productivity.

[Mac_Muz]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

oh bs...anyone who has ever worked overtime understands...anything more than 12 hours of overtime kills you in the taxes....

PS...unless they pay the overtime in a separate check

Yeah it was something like that... i tend to work 60 hours a week still 6 days at 10 hours, but i dam well don't pay taxes like that anymore.

I just quit after 40 hours there and worked 20+ at 2 other jobs, like 20 at one in 2 days and evenings, and withb that a family of 3 was just getting by.

Thanks for that..

[calibro1]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

that's right a billionare (btw..income tax is about annual income..not net worth) should have a tax rate EQUAL...we all want equality...to the rate of ANYONE ELSE

tax EVERYONE at 15%...a single mom, or a ceo...doesnt matter

but liberals dont want equality

Because that lady making $30,000 a year getting taxed at 15% means that she pays $4,500 in taxes. That means that she is really making $25,500. So her purchasing power has significantly been reduced.

Bill Gates makes about $5,500,000,000 a year. 15% of that equals to $825,000,000. That means that Bill Gates still has quite a few BILLION left over. His purchasing power has not diminished in the slightest.

So it really boils down to how not to punish the poor.

Put it this way if we had a tax system that took out 50% of Bill Gate's earnings, he still would have %2.5 billion. That's still an astonishing figure. His purchasing power would still be pretty high.

We should tax the rich more than we currently are. What about putting that money towards programs that could help the poor become richer so that they, or their children, can pay more in taxes later?

[texdav]

Originally Posted by padcrasher

"when I found working over time meant I went home with less pay than if i worked 40 hours, I quit working over time."

Great example of a right wing urban myth in action.

There is no tax scenario in the USA, in any State, where this statement could be true. Not even close.

Not one iota of truth in it........The types of people that believe the B.S are the same exact people who fall for right wing propaganda.

I think that if you look aroud the bottomline is much different. Even a blue collar worker has bottomline expenses from working more. Many welfare single moms can tell you what they need to earn to make it worth their while. Those who invest certainly are not rushing out to invest with the risk/reward they see. How long until the rich decide that they can live with less as its not worth it.We aready see 49% not paying any taxes and wanting more. Humans pretty much react the same as we see with investors keeping cash and workers saving and paying down debt.Its all the bottomline where people see safety. Not many now still swallow the Obama line that if they just pass his stimulus that it will creat masive infrastructure and huge numer of jobs.hey now are seeing the spending us out of this recssion was the same old democratic spend then riase taxes line of the past.The more they tax the more they spend and then tax more.

[Winter_Sucks]

Originally Posted by alphamale

How about just saying "Thank you" to the rich for all of your societal benefits?

You're welcome!

The rich wouldn't be rich if it weren't for the country they lived in. Taxes are their way of saying thank you.

[calibro1]

Originally Posted by hilgi

It seems that many of you still don’t get it. If taxing 100% of every penny the rich earns doesn’t even cut the deficit in half, how will increasing their rate by 5 to 10% do it?

You are being conned. Tax government granted monopoly status, not productivity.

But if we don't increase taxes the deficit would be higher than if we did.

No, it's not a governmental conspiracy. The government is not trying to own everything.

We could all move to the most libertarian place on earth, the Central African Republic. There, you can earn all you want and pay for you own roads,electric grid, pipes, police, fire, military, teachers (public municipalities get grants from the federal government to help fund police and teaching), and a whole other host of government services. Just watch out of other libertarians try to make a move on your oasis.

[jetgraphics]

Originally Posted by Mac_Muz

We should tax the rich at 0% and be happy for it. let them spend they loose if the idea is no good. let that be enough. The damned Govt sure doesn't know how to spend taxes properly in the first place.You don't need data and links to know that. Any old country fool knows that.

The gubmint certainly knows HOW to spend your taxes... they've bribed generations of Americans to spit on their ancestor's heritage and sell their own children into endless slavery.

When investigating the foundation of the nation, way back in 1933 - oops - that's the socialist nation...
Roll back a bit further ...
Back in the 1770s, the founding generation had a different idea for the purpose of government. And to keep it "lean and mean", there were certain items that most "modern" people are kept ignorant of.

First, to make sure only "civic minded" folks got politically involved, one had to be a land owner AND paid taxes, before voting or holding office. The idea was simple - if you're going to decide on how public funds are spent, ante up YOUR share first.

Second, citizenship (political liberty) was a privilege, not a right, and it had a burden attached (civic duties: militia, jury, etc).

Third, only the sovereign people could surrender their sovereignty, and become subject citizens - by consent. Foreign subjects had to expatriate and then become naturalized subject citizens - by consent.

To this day, most Americans don't recognize the distinction in the Second amendment that reflects those two different classes.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Casual readers today, do not realize that the MILITIA were legally obligated to train, fight and die - on command - as part of their exercise of citizenship. However the sovereign PEOPLE (non-citizens) had the right to bear arms. (The militia, by definition, can be regulated in the manner in which they "bear arms". That's why all "gun control" laws don't violate the 2nd amendment - they only have limited applicability to subject persons - not "all Americans".)

As stated in the Declaration of Independence, job #1 = secure rights, and job #2 = govern those who consent. If the government could compel ALL AMERICANS, to train, fight and die on command, then ALL AMERICANS would be subjects - at birth. (The Supreme court ruled that conscription was not involuntary servitude. Bet those "draft dodgers" would be surprised to learn how they volunteered!)

However, if you've read your history books (or my posts) on the "republican form" promised to America, it's the form where the PEOPLE are sovereign.

How does all this relate to TAXATION?

If sovereign people have the inalienable right to life, liberty, property ownership, etc, etc, then servant government has no authority to take life, liberty, property, etc, etc, except in pursuit of justice, securing the rights of an injured party. Since taxation of a right is forbidden, all that government can tax are privileges not connected with the inalienable rights of the people and their property... or tax by consent.

Restating - under the original framework, a small subset of the nation - land owners - who paid the bulk of taxes - would decide how the money would be spent - for the task of 'securing rights'.

Under that limitation, government would be a puny thing, wouldn't you agree?
The only way to spend MORE, would be tax themselves MORE.
Not going to happen...

It's common sense.

What changed?

A series of "revolutions" that changed the republican form into a democratic form (all warm bodies can vote, whether they pay taxes or not - and started "voting" themselves more and more from the public treasury. Or worse, extended the franchise without requiring full compliance with the obligations of citizenship.) and then, thanks to usury, those profligate democrats (not the Dem party) bankrupted the nation.

Then it was re-organized into an even GREATER sheep shearing scam, via "voluntary" national socialism (FICA). And as we stand on the brink of the collapse of the United Socialist States of America, everyone is looking around for someone else to blame. Unfortunately, the #1 enemy is looking back at you in the mirror.

Don't believe me - it's all in the public record, available at any county courthouse law library. READ IT YOURSELF. Trace back the legislative history and witness the downfall of the only republican form of government on earth, a nation whose government recognized that the PEOPLE were sovereign - not the servant government. Watch how the people surrendered their birthright of sovereignty, freedom and independence, in exchange for 'entitlements' (charity from the public treasury) and debased themselves before the law. See how they devolved into "Status criminals" guilty for what they are, not what they did. And now, need permission (license) from the omnipotent State to do that which their forefathers did as of right.

"Socialist Americans" now need licenses / permission before they can buy or sell medicine or health care, sell at retail, travel, build a house, fly a plane, transmit radio, enter occupations, operate a business, marry, hunt, fish or own a dog. It's so rampant, that one must carry ID issued by the government or risk harassment.

BOW and KNEEL before Big Brother, oh foolish Americans. Pay your tribute to the new master, and lick his boots. It's what YOU consented to.

Survive, Thrive, or Die

For a glimpse into the understanding of the Founders' generation:

Virginia Constitution, 1776.
SEC. 6. That elections of members to serve as representatives of the people, in assembly, ought to be free; and that all men, having sufficient evidence of permanent common interest with, and attachment to, the community, have the right of suffrage, and cannot be taxed or deprived of their property for public uses, without their own consent, or that of their representatives so elected*, nor bound by any law to which they have not, in like manner, assembled, for the public good.

All men ... cannot be taxed without their own consent.
All men ... cannot be deprived of their property for public uses without their own consent.
All men ... cannot be bound by any law that is not for the public good.

{*only tax paying property owners could vote, ergo, not all Virginians gave consent to be bound by all laws.}

[Mac_Muz]

But why not let Bill Gate spend what he wants where he wants? That will create jobs. Bill Gates knows how to deal with the poor excuse called money. The Govt has proven anything other than.

I'lsd say can the teachers and the cops can them all let then become for profit. The cops would get thinner maybe do something besides enfocre tax codes which is about all they do any way.
Let teachers determine a rate and let those who can afford it to pay for schooling. Why not?

That will cut down on trailer trash, other problems where people have abused the system all their lousey long lives.

Ya wanna eat ya gotta work ya wannt live in a box ya gotta work, It's real simple.

The govt is no good at it, then can go take a hike IMO....

Let people who deal in money deal in money and get the best earnings of it. They can't use all they have but they will always want more.

Why anyone wants more and more makes no sence to me. Personaly I hate the stuff and work for free a lot more than i work for pay.

I was made to worship for crap paper money. It's just a tool.