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Glad that someone else saw the errors in this guy's "logic".
It wasn't just errors in logic, it was flat out blatant lying.
For pete's sake, all the man had to do was look into the facts. But he didn't. He just spewed some pipedream fantasy opinion, not based on any factual evidence whatsoever.
What that means is that even though THAT particular poll showed at THAT particular time that voters were generally leaning Right in theory, when it comes down to the specifics of actually picking someone to vote for no one on the Right is palatable.
There is no such thing as "a generic GOP candidate" on voting ballot.
Yeah, I know, nevertheless I suggest that everybody on both sides of the issue read this link as it exposes the duplicity and downright double dealing agenda of Scott Walker. If he knew this to be the case he is a down right, baldfaced liar to the people of Wisconsin. If he didn't know it then he has no reason to be gov of the state. I rest my case.
"16.896 Sale or contractual operation of state−owned heating, cooling, and power plants. (1) Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state−owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state. Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b)."
"The bill would allow for the selling of state-owned heating/cooling/power plants without bids and without concern for the legally-defined public interest."
"As I state above, I doubt the breaking up of unions isn't in the interest of the Kochs, but this new find in the budget "repair" bill, makes it clear that this isn't about the promotion of free markets, though it is packaged that way. It really is about the special interest edge. In this case it provides for energy buyers, such as the Kochs, to grab assets without having to actually bid against others for them"
A poll of Wisconsin residents conducted by a local television station posed the following question; "Do you approve of the job Scott Walker has done since being elected?" 88% said "NO." He will never win another election for anything in Wisconsin and he is taking the rest of the Republicans down with him.
A poll of Wisconsin residents conducted by a local television station posed the following question; "Do you approve of the job Scott Walker has done since being elected?" 88% said "NO." He will never win another election for anything in Wisconsin and he is taking the rest of the Republicans down with him.
1) Walker's plan passes. The state and local governments save money, budget gaps are reduced, taxes don't increase or increase less than they would have
2) Walker's plan doesn't pass. The state and local governments are forced to spend more money on public employee union demands. Draconian cuts in public services are enacted and/or taxes increase even more to pay for the public employee union demands.
Which scenario do the WI taxpayers want?
Get their state and local budgets under control?
Or pay even more taxes for fewer government services because the unions demand more?
Walker and the Republicans are acting in the taxpayers' interest. The public employee unions are greedly acting in their own interest, and have no qualms in screwing the taxpayers.
Union dues are paid by every employee who is a member. The taxpayer who may be a member is not SCREWED.
It wasn't just errors in logic, it was flat out blatant lying.
For pete's sake, all the man had to do was look into the facts. But he didn't. He just spewed some pipedream fantasy opinion, not based on any factual evidence whatsoever.
He's willing to trash his career over that?
Even if you overlook the part that was a complete lie, his argument doesn't hold water.
ALL the money, whether or not it is deferred wages are ALL still wages and that money isn't printed...it can ONLY come form the taxpayers of Wisconsin!
Sure, they invest the money like practically every pension plan does. But the ORIGINAL dollars can only come from taxpayers no matter how you slice it. He's just playing semantics about who's money it is.
I read another one of his articles to get an insight into who this guy is and it was just as ridiculously written as well. In it he blames FOX for saying that the teacher's wages are the reason for the crisis....and that the slow economy is. Well DA? Of course if we weren't in a recession, this wouldn't be an issue! But we are and the fact that public employee wages and benefits are a huge par of their debt makes their salaries and benefits a huge part of the problem.
Union dues are paid by every employee who is a member. The taxpayer who may be a member is not SCREWED.
Everyone already knows that each employee pays their own union dues.
That's not how they mean they are screwing the taxpayer, unless of course you consider that it's still taxpayer money that pays the teacher who in turn pays the dues.
51 percent of the more than 400 likely voters surveyed while 47 percent indicated they were opposed
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Taken point by point, however, the news is almost all good for Walker
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by a margin of 74 percent to 18 percent, likely voters in Wisconsin back the idea of making state employees pay more for their health insurance. By a margin of 79 percent to 16 percent, they favor asking state workers to contribute more toward their pensions. And, by a margin of 66 percent to 30 percent they support the idea that state workers’ pay increase should be tied to the rate of inflation unless voters approve a higher raise by public referendum.
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the core issue of the fight that has paralyzed the state government and led to protesters occupying the state capitol building--the idea that the power of public employee unions to engage in collective bargaining be limited to wage and benefit issues--Wisconsin voters break with the governor, 54 percent to 41 percent.
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